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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: “Digital Exploration Of Interior Design” (S3E13)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Simon: yo! Jef: Are you craving a five dollar footlong? Simon: no joke, I eat [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Community-Digital-Exploration-Of-Interior-Design-Season-3-Episode-13-2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-8521" title="Community-Digital-Exploration-Of-Interior-Design-Season-3-Episode-13-2" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Community-Digital-Exploration-Of-Interior-Design-Season-3-Episode-13-2.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="300" /></a>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yo!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Are you craving a five dollar footlong?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: no joke, I eat Subway for lunch like 3 times a week</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Of course you do!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: foot long ham on whole wheat ALL DAY EVERY DAY</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> So enthusiastic!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It truly is the food of poor people. Like college students.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m partial to the McDonald’s snack menu myself, but that&#8217;s because I fail at life</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: this was an amusing episode</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> This was really good<br />
I think I enjoyed everything, I don&#8217;t have anything to complain about here<br />
John Goodman was wearing a ponytail, Britta was Britta, the subplots worked, and Starburns, Magnitude, Leonard and Garrett all made appearances!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: and Kim!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Who&#8217;s Kim??<br />
This was Community at its best while still being accessible</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, all the storylines were solid and it wasn&#8217;t too wacky</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Obviously I have feelings for Remedial Chaos Theory and Critical Film Studies and the like<br />
But while this still had high-concepts, they were easy to ignore if you just wanted jokes and characters</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right. it was another strong ensemble episode<br />
the second since it&#8217;s been back from hiatus<br />
so maybe they&#8217;re onto something<br />
I generally like when every character gets to shine</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, even Shirley and Pierce were fantastic here<br />
Pierce doing shots of blue ink is the right shade of dumb</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, the thought of them as a tandem never worked for me but they played off each other decently<br />
Also, the whole concept of Subway as a person<br />
I&#8217;m impressed and envious I didn&#8217;t think of that first</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;Corpo-humanoid&#8221;!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Would McDonald’s be Ronald McDonald?<br />
because that&#8217;s frightening</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> CLOWWWNS</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Pizza the Hut</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Does any other show do product placement as well as this show?<br />
The KFC episode was fun enough<br />
But this one actually had stuff to say about integrity and selling out all while taking Subway and making Subway AN ACTUAL CHARACTER in their show</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I wonder if they get the money<br />
or if NBC gets the money<br />
like, how do these deals work<br />
I&#8217;m kind of shocked they don&#8217;t do more of these</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s a great a blueprint for the way forward<br />
as more shows get viewed online where viewers don&#8217;t watch ads at all<br />
Also, I loved Britta using the phrase &#8220;Big Sandwich&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: rank the 3 storylines from best to worst</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> 1) 1984 starring Britta, Shirley, Pierce and Subway<br />
2) Jeff and Annie in Who’s Kim?<br />
3) Troy and Abed, Blankets vs. Pillows<br />
But like I said, I was feeling them all</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree with you<br />
which is boring, but I&#8217;m not surprised</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Even though I think Britta’s story was the slightest in terms of the over-arching storyline</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right, it has the least (no) repercussions<br />
let&#8217;s start at 3 though.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The one with the MOST repercussions</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: They go back to the pillow fort well<br />
and I was kind of surprised how little of the actual fort-gag there was<br />
WHAT DOES THE BLANKET FORT EVEN LOOK LIKE?<br />
I guess they assume it looks like the last one</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I think it was a good call<br />
Instead of it feeling a retread or even a full revisit, it was all just something to get Troy and Abed to play off each other<br />
I&#8217;m surprised by how much I didn&#8217;t like Abed here!<br />
And yet it still felt totally natural for his character<br />
It reminded me of the messiah episode where we see the inherent dickishness of Abed&#8217;s character</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Everything that everyone thinks is cute about him has its downsides</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: If anything, it’s Troy who is acting out of character<br />
he never initiates anything<br />
except for situations where he&#8217;s protecting Abed</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And will he ever really protect him again?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: to be continued</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Way to ruin our natural ending!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: dammit</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> One thing I liked about the conflict here<br />
was that even though Vice-Dean Laybourne was egging them on<br />
Troy&#8217;s character was naturally heading this way anyway as we saw last week<br />
You can&#8217;t chalk it up to a meddling villain</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right<br />
He was evil Abed<br />
but Evil Abed showed up last week</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, you might as well have slapped a felt goatee on Abed this week</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: even Vice-Dean had it going on this week<br />
his running gag had me every scene</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL I love the fact that he was &#8220;going through some stuff&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the ponytail!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The band!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the onesie!<br />
where do you even find a onesie that fits John Goodman?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;Don&#8217;t look at me as I crawl out of here&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Maybe that&#8217;s what they needed the Subway sponsor money for</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: bespoke sleepwear</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> lol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I like that Subway was the dude from Scrubs</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I never watched Scrubs<br />
Is he a beloved character or something?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: no, but he was endearing<br />
beloved is a strong word</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It is, I&#8217;ve never used it before</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Except when talking about <em>Beloved,</em> starring Oprah Winfrey</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;ve never talked about that before</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Which is also never, YES<br />
The other thing I liked about Laybournes mid-life crisis<br />
is that after seeing him as a maniac who has astronauts making sandwiches for him<br />
This just makes him some guy who teaches air conditioning repair<br />
It&#8217;s a glimpse of what Troy&#8217;s in for&#8230;which is&#8230;not much</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: do we know why he wants him to be in HVAC so bad?<br />
what does he get out of it?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> He&#8217;s Abed, in a sense<br />
He cares about the craft of it<br />
and there&#8217;s no one better at the craft than Troy.<br />
Also: plot device-y reasons</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I couldn&#8217;t tell during the mob fight slow motion<br />
if Troy and Abed’s faces were regretful or angry</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> At first they looked regretful to me<br />
but when they retreated into their respective forts<br />
they looked pretty pissed off</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I was trying to figure out what movie they were spoofing with that scene</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> EVERY MOVIE</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: X-MEN</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> SEXY BEACH SCENE</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: haha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;I HATE YOU CHARLES XAVIER, KISS ME&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I just want a hovering wheelchair<br />
so yea, and I agree that was the least entertaining story<br />
What about Jeff, Kim and Annie’s?<br />
I wasn&#8217;t sure how to read Annie in this one<br />
I liked it.<br />
She has issues with Jeff, clearly<br />
but I can&#8217;t tell if she&#8217;s still pining for him or not</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That&#8217;s the thing<br />
it seems more like she&#8217;s salty about being treated like shit<br />
not that she has unrequited love<br />
which is good for her character<br />
Also, &#8220;Write it in a letter, Jane Austen!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that was great!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Maybe my favourite line!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;m going to use that in real life<br />
probably at work, at some point</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I was trying to think of where you&#8217;d use it<br />
I didn&#8217;t think it would be work!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;this report is factually incorrect&#8221;<br />
see?<br />
that retort works for everything!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The Saving Garrett references were a great gag too<br />
“But we saved him!”<br />
“&#8230;Did we?”</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;m wondering though how many episodes of Jeff trying to be better are we going to have?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> haha yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: HE&#8217;S TRYING!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m just glad they didn&#8217;t mention his stupid dad again<br />
Nice touch though on him slowly backing away from the pillow fight while absentmindedly playing with his phone</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: nobody knows who he&#8217;s texting</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> His therapist?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the Dean?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think the best scene<br />
was when they fired Subway</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> CAN YOU PASS ME MY JACKET</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: if they don&#8217;t win a daytime Emmy I&#8217;m going to&#8230; post an internet comment in anger<br />
can primetime sitcoms win daytime Emmy&#8217;s?<br />
probably not huh?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I don&#8217;t think it works that way</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: they should</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I like that you don&#8217;t care if they win a regular Emmy<br />
DAYTIME EMMY. THEY DESERVE IT.<br />
This episode had both fart jokes and boner jokes<br />
How can you go wrong?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you can&#8217;t<br />
I also liked &#8220;liberal looseness&#8221;<br />
and &#8220;woman whoriness&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh, Britta<br />
I got a kick out of Shirley saying &#8220;Brit-ta&#8221; but with a regular voice</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I laughed at Pierces unfiltered joke</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> which one?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: when she says her high school newspaper article was called &#8220;Britta Unfiltered&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> oh yeah hahaha<br />
Of course it was!<br />
Did we get a reason for why Pierce was extra insane this week?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It was that time of night??</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> hahaha<br />
If there is no real reason, that just makes it more amazing</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I want to see the meeting where they tell Chevy Chase he&#8217;s going to be eating ink<br />
and he&#8217;s just like, ok</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> he&#8217;s just like, &#8220;Yeah, that sound about right.&#8221;<br />
Nobody tried to stop him! Not even Shirley<br />
What do you think is in store for next week?<br />
Jeff&#8217;s story seems one and done</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think only Troy and Abed are supposed to have bigger implications<br />
it&#8217;ll literally be the continuation of that I think</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I can see Shirley and Pierce trying to start a business together continuing<br />
not sure if it&#8217;ll have anything to do with Subway (the person), but I&#8217;d like it to</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: if one of them becomes Subway that&#8217;d be amazing</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> There you go!<br />
The fall of Troy and Abed also hasn&#8217;t really affected the group as of yet<br />
So maybe we&#8217;ll start seeing the ripple effects</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the show really has been darker since it&#8217;s been back<br />
we haven&#8217;t had any sentimental group moments<br />
no Jeff speeches<br />
just laughs with slight cracks in the foundations</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Which is good<br />
Those moments had reached self-parody and there was nowhere to go unless they shook things up again first</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: even last week&#8217;s &#8220;sentimental&#8221; moment was aware enough, between Troy and Abed, to know it was contrived</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, and it was bittersweet</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it&#8217;s a good point that their rift hasn&#8217;t impacted the group<br />
I wonder if there will be side picking</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I can see minor conflicts happening as maybe they try and latch on to different group members<br />
Like, does Shirley really wanna hang out with Troy?<br />
Probably not&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s tough though right<br />
do any of them really want to hang out with any of each other?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I feel like that&#8217;s kind of the point long term</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Boo this man!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hahahaha<br />
DAMN YOU HARMON<br />
Abed is right<br />
maybe it is too dark and inaccessible</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> DAMN YOU SUBWAY</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>:   I&#8217;m hungry now</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Eat fresh?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: if that becomes slang for anal sex I will be in awe of this show</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL<br />
I am going to rewatch that scene right now</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: like if Subway paid for this placement and that&#8217;s the ultimate outcome?<br />
genius.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> for sure they did<br />
Their logo was so bright and large in the opening!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It&#8217;s true, it was almost Josie and the Pussycats-esque</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, it would be great if that&#8217;s all Subway paid for<br />
just the logo<br />
And then they got&#8230;&#8230;this.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;m guessing there are very few repeat customers with this show</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, where KFC at?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: So how do we end this? hahaha<br />
WHY DID I WASTE THE NATURAL ENDING</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL<br />
It&#8217;s over now.<br />
OVER.<br />
Pop pop, cap&#8217;n.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: fin</p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Contemporary Impressionists&#8221; (S3E12)</title>
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<p>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yo</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Are you crying?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: a little<br />
what just happened?<br />
i&#8217;m so confused<br />
shit got too real</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It was a weird episode</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: metaphors wrapped in thought hats</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It was both way too serious and way too wacky</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes<br />
simultaneously, amazingly<br />
not seperately</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It wasn&#8217;t BAD<br />
During the first act I was highly amused<br />
During second I was like fuck this stupid shit<br />
And during the third I had many emotions</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you mean the Jeff stuff was stupid?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, I didn&#8217;t really like his story this week at all<br />
Well, story-wise it was fine, I guess<br />
But the Jeff&#8217;s-narcissism-is-HULKING OUT thing was not funny<br />
Maybe the first two times<br />
But definitely not the last 23 times</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, this episode was filled with Family Guy-type graphics. it was odd</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yes, right?<br />
Those cartoon cutaways need to stop<br />
Or at least get funnier&#8230;<br />
Not only was Jeff&#8217;s Ego Apple thing not even really a joke<br />
it actually read &#8220;EGO&#8221; on it</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I didnt get his story much either really<br />
i liked the setup though</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I also think they&#8217;re stretching his daddy issues on for too long<br />
I was intrigued when they first starting dropping hints about it<br />
But at this point, I can&#8217;t see how the eventual story about his dad won&#8217;t be anything but anticlimactic<br />
Of course, I&#8217;m just saying that because I didn&#8217;t love this episode&#8230;<br />
You liked the setup?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I like when the gang dresses up<br />
or in general, when they make fun of how they look<br />
like the time everyone thought Shirley was Miss Piggy</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> BROWN JAMIE LEE CURTIS</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes. that was amazing.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> When Abed said the name of French Stewart&#8217;s celebrity impersonators company I got really jealous<br />
”The Doppel Gang”<br />
WHY DIDN&#8217;T I THINK OF THAT.<br />
(I have a doppelganger fascination.)<br />
Did you have a have favourite impersonator?<br />
Regular cast and cameos included</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Britta<br />
shocking, I know</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but that was amazing too</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> No, you&#8217;re right though</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: she really is a great MJ!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> She&#8217;s a horrible MJ!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>:  ok, this is unrelated<br />
but I&#8217;m filling out security questions for an online form<br />
and these things are annoying as shit<br />
my only options<br />
are questions I CAN&#8217;T ANSWER<br />
what city was I married in?<br />
what is my niece’s name?<br />
WHAT KIND OF SECURITY IS THIS?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I had to invent a fake daughter&#8217;s name just for that reason.<br />
And now I can&#8217;t shake it&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you mean you can&#8217;t remember it?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> No, I mean my daughter WILL have that name.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: ah, yes<br />
it&#8217;s fated now<br />
what&#8217;s the name?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Jessica<br />
Nothing special.<br />
BUT SHE&#8217;S MINE</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I just had to make up an entire life for myself</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Crap, now you know my security question answer<br />
you fucking evil genius you</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I was married in Vancouver and have a niece named Kate<br />
now I&#8217;m going to name my daughter Jessica<br />
and steal that shit from you</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That’s alright. Kate Catapang.<br />
I can roll with that</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s not bad actually</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> She sounds like an asshole<br />
BUT SHE&#8217;S MINE</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: anyhow, my bad<br />
where were we?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha no worries<br />
Shall we talk about Troybed?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: As I was saying, it was a very odd episode<br />
I don&#8217;t really get the ending</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Abed and Evil Abed?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I see it as, he knows now that Troy is growing up, and his response to Troy for the first time declining to do something stupid with him<br />
is to retreat into the holodeck and have a mini-breakdown of sorts<br />
Troy responds to growing up by pulling back on the imagination play.<br />
Abed goes all in.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I guess my issue is with why Abed would do that<br />
I feel like throughout the show<br />
yes, Abed&#8217;s always been eccentric<br />
emotionally aloof and a bit out of reality<br />
but he&#8217;s also not stupid.<br />
He&#8217;s always been the most observant<br />
and although a little nuts, also capable of being practical.<br />
The idea he&#8217;d not understand the concept of having his legs broken for debt, or that he was being incredibly selfish and irrational<br />
it comes off false to me?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Well, two things<br />
Abed is smart, but he&#8217;s not skilled AT ALL<br />
I think out of all the characters he&#8217;s definitely the one for whom graduation will be the most daunting<br />
It&#8217;s clear he&#8217;s not a gifted filmmaker or writer so following his passion isn&#8217;t really in the cards.<br />
I can get why his friends growing up would mess with him.<br />
But yeah, I do agree with you that his being dumb enough to not seem to understand the concept of money, or him having his legs broken by a fake Ving Rhames, is pretty weak</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea. I mean maybe it&#8217;s nitpicking but I think they could have gone with a less drastic repercusion<br />
and it would have worked better for me<br />
although French Stewart pulls off a surprisingly convincing threatening face<br />
I mean&#8230; it&#8217;s still French Stewart&#8217;s face<br />
but somehow&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Is it just me<br />
or was it great to have French Stewart in the same episode as Dean Pelton joking about Renee Zellweger&#8217;s squint face?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I have to think that was intentional haha<br />
also, speaking of Dean<br />
I died when he saw Jeff in the hall and fell down</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh haha YES<br />
That was the best moment of the episode<br />
&#8220;OMG EVEN HIS SHADOW. LOOK AT HIS SHADOW.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;ve never had a day where I felt like everyone was blowing up my ego<br />
just sayin<br />
just once I&#8217;d like a man to fall down in awe at the sight at my shadow too.<br />
or even like, a small animal</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, maybe that&#8217;s why I didn&#8217;t dig that part of the storyline<br />
I CAN&#8217;T RELATE</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I look terrible in aviators</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I have aviators<br />
But that&#8217;s only because I look even more terrible in every other kind of sunglasses</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hahaha<br />
What did you think of Abed&#8217;s comment about this being too dark and inaccessible?<br />
This is a show often called out for too much fan service.<br />
It&#8217;s started talking to this stuff directly though<br />
that&#8217;s an interesting approach, but I&#8217;m not sure how I feel about it</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah that&#8217;s actually one of the reasons why I&#8217;m excited about the rest of this season<br />
Just knowing that next week &#8212; or whenever it will be depending on how far they were into the writing process before the hiatus &#8212; eventually they have to stop the real-time conversation with the fans<br />
Harmon says this disconnection makes the show darker, but I think he was always going to skew dark this season<br />
It&#8217;s the vacuum that interests me because yeah, that kind of blatant talking-to-the-internet stuff can get grating</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I guess when they say getting darker though it&#8217;s all relative<br />
I mean, one of the things about this show is when it gets heavy, it does it in a playful manner<br />
like, Good Will Plumbing and all<br />
breaking legs seemed a bit too real<br />
I can&#8217;t imagine the show&#8217;s characters facing real repercussions</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s been a strange progression with this show that as it invested more in real talk &#8212; divorce, mental health, daddy issues &#8212; it also got more off the rails with the zaniness<br />
It&#8217;s becoming more realistic and less recognizable as reality at the same time</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right. like Abed dealing with the angst of adulthood and relating to his friends<br />
in an imaginary spaceship with his evil alter ego</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Exactly.<br />
How far do you expect them to take the rift between Troy and Abed?<br />
That pillow fort war we saw in the trailers&#8230;<br />
&#8230;is that war between THEM?<br />
(LOL drama caps. Never done that before!)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I can&#8217;t see them not being friends<br />
I feel like that has to be an engineered situation of some sort</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, break &#8216;em up to bring &#8216;em back together<br />
I see them friends throughout the duration of the show</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I mean, if we&#8217;re taking this to its natural conclusion<br />
they remain friends, but just become less close over time<br />
and gradually drift apart while remaining amicable.<br />
Which is as real as it gets.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Right</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: and sad, but totally true and relatable</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s that moment in life when you&#8217;re growing up but your friends aren&#8217;t<br />
It ends friendships, even if it does it softly and over time</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: or even just, the point where you realize your friends don&#8217;t define you anymore<br />
and you have to start figuring out who you are for yourself<br />
so you just tend to be less invested in your friendships while you focus on yourself</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> i.e. air conditioning repair</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It&#8217;s pretty ridiculous an episode about them dressing up as celebrity impersonators is resulting in this conversation, hahahaha<br />
this show is pretty amazing<br />
or, we are huge nerds<br />
&#8230; or BOTH<br />
(there are some drama caps for ya)</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> EVERYTHING AND ALL THINGS AT THE SAME TIME<br />
Speaking of BFFs<br />
How great are Jeff and Britta together?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s two episodes in a row they seemed&#8230;. right, with each other</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, and with ZERO sexual tension in the writing or acting<br />
They mention that they’ve had sex but there&#8217;s no winking<br />
I like it! I think Joel and Gillian work really well together<br />
Which is a crazy thing to say because in season one the big complaint was always, &#8220;These two have NO CHEMISTRY AT ALL&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: they&#8217;ve really developed a repore<br />
uh<br />
rapport<br />
my brain is broken<br />
hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Did your apple &#8216;splode?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: no, but my journalism degree just spontaneously combusted<br />
but yea, I think in the early goings<br />
they still had to play &#8220;roles&#8221; of sorts<br />
which hindered their ability to play off each other</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah. So, we had Jeff and and Troy and Abed hogging all the storytime this week<br />
Somewhere in there, a big Chang arc seems to be brewing<br />
But really, everyone else got pushed to the sidelines this week</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I wasn&#8217;t sure how to read that either<br />
like, he wants to take over campus?<br />
but&#8230; with an army of 8 children?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Totally.<br />
Also&#8230;.why?<br />
I don&#8217;t even really get his goal.<br />
I mean, he&#8217;s an idiot, so maybe I&#8217;m asking too much here<br />
But yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea<br />
I&#8217;m not sure he&#8217;s supposed to make any sense<br />
this is the first episode that didn&#8217;t feel totally self-contained though<br />
like, usually this show hints at stuff, but this seemed like a straight up lead-in for a few stories<br />
which is actually kind of exciting!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, which might explain the laziness of Jeff&#8217;s Hulk thing<br />
Just something to contain the story and not make it an intimidating Mythology Episode</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you know what else I noticed this episode<br />
I like how the men are all idiots and the women are always right<br />
it&#8217;s incredibly realistic</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it honestly does show that they have a lot of female writers</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, that&#8217;s just one of the many magical things that happens when you have women in the writer&#8217;s room<br />
Everything is automatically more accurate<br />
Even with a show that has no problem ignoring “real life” whenever it wants to</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: as we said<br />
it is everything<br />
at once<br />
I don&#8217;t know what to expect next</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Some of the Whats are pretty clear<br />
but it&#8217;s the Hows that are exciting<br />
The rise and fall of Chang<br />
The history with Jeff&#8217;s dad<br />
Britta actually being good at something<br />
And the breakup of Troy and Abed<br />
How they approach all those things is going to be fun to watch</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I expect all my expectations to be wrong<br />
that&#8217;s pretty much the only condition this show has trained me for</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s awesome that a show that uses such a ridiculous amount of callbacks is this hard to predict</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: where the hell is Starburns yo?<br />
like, did he die?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> We should IMDB him<br />
maybe he got a show on STARZ or some shit<br />
Either that, or he&#8217;s being held back for a fantastic, 11th hour Deus Ex Starburns-machina</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: if he was an angel this whole time<br />
I&#8217;m going to be mad pissed</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> MY NAME IS JEF CATAPANG<br />
AND I HAAATE KARA THRAAAACE</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s a great name for a daughter</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Jef: And, we&#8217;re back? Simon: jef and simon being normal Jef: That&#8217;s me in every [...]]]></description>
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<p>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And, we&#8217;re back?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: jef and simon being normal</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That&#8217;s me in every life situation!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: trying to be normal?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I forgot this show had been gone for 4 months<br />
it just kind of picks right back up</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It does, which I liked.<br />
Like Troy and Abed, this is one of those episodes that pretends Community is a normal sitcom.<br />
Were you hoping for something crazier?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: No, I think this was about right<br />
No need for them to be all self congratulatory for not being cancelled or anything</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m sure that will come anyway.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: agreed<br />
I thought it was nice everybody got equal play<br />
that&#8217;s been rare this season<br />
and it was done well</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, one of the rare, true ensemble episodes.<br />
So much so that Chang was nowhere<br />
It really did concentrate on the study group</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I just assume he&#8217;s filming a Hangover sequel</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Off somewhere naked, yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: were you excited today?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yes!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: stoked? High-fiving strangers?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I kept it together.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i didn&#8217;t<br />
i purposely avoided making plans tonight for like the last two weeks<br />
&#8230; that came out kind of sad</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It was a wedding, after all</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: true say</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> We&#8217;ve been waiting for a hard Shirley storyline all season, haven&#8217;t we?<br />
We got the foosball episode<br />
But that had more to do with Shirley&#8217;s past than with where this character is headed</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it also plays into the education aspect<br />
as they each individually learn from their college experience and move on in life<br />
she is clearly &#8220;the business&#8221; one</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> She&#8217;s moving forwards and backwards at the same time</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: whoa, deep</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL<br />
I didn&#8217;t mean it</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you britta&#8217;d that metaphor</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> but yeah, heading back to marriage with Andre&#8211;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: wait, that wasn&#8217;t a metaphor<br />
dammit</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8211;when obviously, that didn&#8217;t work out so well the first time.<br />
What&#8217;s a metaphor?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right, but they do show evolution in their relationship<br />
giving you that sense of hope</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> If there&#8217;s one thing that felt off about today&#8217;s episode<br />
it&#8217;s when Andre got all make-me-a-sandwich on Shirley<br />
I know we haven&#8217;t really seen much of him<br />
but we&#8217;ve never seen his bad side</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea. And we never had any indication that that&#8217;s what they were like before, did we?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> it&#8217;s funny, because it&#8217;s Theo Huxtable</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: he&#8217;s still rocking those sweaters</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> he&#8217;s still awesome, basically</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes<br />
but yea, that seemed a bit forced<br />
as did Annie&#8217;s Boobs</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> you capped both words<br />
so I guess you mean the monkey</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: both</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> They did both make an appearance&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: they both deserve capitals<br />
but I mostly meant the monkey yes, haha<br />
I was really enjoying that storyline for its simplicity<br />
I mean, I guess we knew what would happen<br />
I just hoped it&#8217;d be something more funny than the monkey</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> They didn&#8217;t even follow Annie&#8217;s Boobs!<br />
Abed just put a bowl on his head.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: and walked away from a hot blonde</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m assuming now is a good a time as any<br />
to mention one of my favourite lines</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: proceed</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;Or is it hardly&#8230;the space?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I had to think about that one</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s so stupid</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: But I was like<br />
the space? is it?<br />
hm&#8230;.<br />
wait<br />
no</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> smh</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i laughed</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> So while Troy and Abed tried to stay normal for new viewers<br />
And Shirley got re-married to Andre<br />
Pierce was trying to start a business in the cafeteria</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: he had a pretty good episode I thought<br />
healthy doses of trademark physical comedy<br />
some pathos<br />
character continuity</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It was great when he was pulling random money out of his pockets</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: he&#8217;s like Ted Dibiase</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I want him to show up with a manservent next week and put Troy in a sleeperhold</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Troy had another good line there, when he asked why Pierce looked like &#8220;a wealthy murderer&#8221;<br />
And Pierce responded with &#8220;I look like an entrepreneur,&#8221; which is great</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: everyone really played their roles though<br />
like, things were a bit more cliche than normal<br />
perhaps as you say to ease viewers back into things<br />
Annie was very much in child mode<br />
asides from the cleavage<br />
although that&#8217;s totally part of her character, haha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It IS a defining character trait, like it or not<br />
I thought her storyline was the weakest this week<br />
It&#8217;s true that she would probably be the pro-wedding one<br />
But her stance never really went anywhere like it did for Jeff and Britta</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, she didn&#8217;t have any sort of &#8220;revelation&#8221; type moment like everyone else seemed to get</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I was expecting maybe a hint of jealousy when Britta and Jeff were getting married<br />
but she mostly just looked justifiably annoyed with their drunkeness</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I was kind of hoping they would actually get married</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yes! Same here, actually</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: like, anti-Ross and Rachel<br />
or bizzarro version perhaps</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I could live with an arc of those two married and trying to get it annulled<br />
We also got another glimpse of Jeff&#8217;s childhood trauma this week.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, and his inner desires<br />
which are vaguely related I suppose</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, he&#8217;s a man-child<br />
I still don&#8217;t know how to take his issues, though<br />
It may be Joel McHale&#8217;s performance<br />
but whenever Jeff gets really serious, it doesn&#8217;t hit as true for me as when other characters do it</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea, I think it&#8217;s the acting<br />
it just seems like he&#8217;s joking haha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah<br />
It&#8217;s like when he cried over Horsebot 3000</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right!<br />
No discernable difference</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Was he joking??<br />
OR DID HE CRY OVER HORSEBOT 3000??</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I don&#8217;t think he was<br />
he does angry pretty well though<br />
he just can&#8217;t do vulnerable</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, one thing we are learning more about Jeff<br />
is that he can be an angry drunk<br />
or just a bad drunk all around I guess</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: does it seem like everybody is starting to acquire a super power?<br />
plumbing<br />
business<br />
housewiving<br />
why is everyone innately great at something?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yes, and they are all &#8220;normal&#8221; things<br />
Do you think they all end up with decent callings?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I have no idea what Pierce is going to do</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Or will the show let one of them fall?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I feel like the show is destined to have a happy ending<br />
like, it&#8217;ll take us somewhere darker than we&#8217;ve been at some point<br />
but in the end it&#8217;s really all about redemption with these characters</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> From what Dan Harmon has been saying, this hiatus from the airwaves is yielding some of the darkest storylines yet<br />
And his intention seems to be to put them through hell this year<br />
In order to turn things around in graduation year</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so typical heroic arc type stuff</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: makes sense<br />
I mean when you look at it, this is really a pretty cliched show<br />
it just is able to recognize it</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s very structured, that&#8217;s for sure<br />
And so even this week, during a &#8220;normal&#8221; episode that feels light-hearted overall<br />
you still get hints of possible darkness to come<br />
Jeff&#8217;s background<br />
Troy and Abed&#8217;s ongoing struggle with growing up<br />
And Britta inevitably ending up a sellout</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;m shocked she didn&#8217;t student-psychoanalyze herself</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha do you think she ends up as a decorator?<br />
She&#8217;s a pretty horrible psych major, but she still makes the occasional on-point observation</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I don&#8217;t know, it&#8217;s hard to say at this point<br />
part of me is like<br />
they might turn her whole shtick into a college phase thing<br />
which it totally could be construed as, with her stunted development and all<br />
on the other hand, that&#8217;d be really sad</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> lol, stunted development<br />
&#8220;I know what an analogy is. It&#8217;s like a thought with another thought&#8217;s hat on.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: she should be a poet, is what she should be</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> There were a lot of good random one liners this week<br />
Bits too, like we mentioned with Pierce and the money<br />
I particularly liked Abed&#8217;s scoffing</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes<br />
I also like the idea that they read the plays Annie writes at home<br />
and that Annie writes plays at home</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh and Annie was humming that song again<br />
Whatsitcalled</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: what song?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The one that Troy was humming in the Batman episode<br />
and was in the Halloween episode too</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hm&#8230;<br />
doesn&#8217;t ring a bell<br />
it&#8217;s been way too long haha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> What happened to you, Simon?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;m sleep deprived is what I think happened<br />
I&#8217;m pretty sure my brain only functions at 1/3 its previous capacity<br />
which is scary<br />
because, you know.<br />
well, let&#8217;s just leave it unsaid.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Is this a cry for help?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: no, I&#8217;m just laying the groundwork for all my future mistakes.<br />
lowering expectations!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m crying now!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Well alright, you wanna blow this joint?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: what else is there to cover<br />
I feel like we glossed over some things<br />
like&#8230;<br />
what is going to happen<br />
hahaha<br />
are they going to get a renewal?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I think they will.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: there was so much AV CLUB ANGST</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> II know, that place is full of emotions</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: and cultural theorists<br />
which is a fancy way of saying nerds</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Emo-theos, I calls &#8216;em<br />
all I know is, I&#8217;m pretty excited for the rest of the season</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I really enjoyed having this show back<br />
it was like catching up with an old friend<br />
like nothing ever changes</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Just wait until next week, when everyone dies</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: is it the evil alternate universe?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Abed DOES put on the goatee in the trailers<br />
I can&#8217;t wait!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, pillow fights are coming</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Pillow-FORT fights</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so you were satisfied with this return?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I am.<br />
It was really low-key but I think it was the right decision, the right tone<br />
And also, it had this exchange<br />
which I love:<br />
Shirley: &#8220;You are dipping and dabbing and don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s happening&#8221;</p>
<p>Britta: &#8220;Fine, we both went to public school.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: haha<br />
my expectations were high but it really softly lulled me into a warm place</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Welcome back, Community!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: WE MISSED YOU!<br />
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		<title>Perpetuating lies to your children for the holidays</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Santa has never given me a gift. Unlike many of my friends growing up, there was no magical component to my Christmas. There was no altruistic value to the Christmas spirit, no creepy omniscient Alpha-Elf who broke into my house with a sack of toys. We had a tree, yes. We had gifts, we had [...]]]></description>
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<p>Santa has never given me a gift.</p>
<p>Unlike many of my friends growing up, there was no magical component to my Christmas. There was no altruistic value to the Christmas spirit, no creepy omniscient Alpha-Elf who broke into my house with a sack of toys.</p>
<p>We had a tree, yes. We had gifts, we had family dinners. But being relatively new to the country, my parents had no idea about the mythology of Christmas. It was all they could do to collect the trappings of this crazy seasonal curiosity, so they would often just ask me what I wanted as a gift.</p>
<p>I distinctly remember one year going to Toy City (remember that store? anyone?) and literally picking my own gift out, then carrying it to the cashier so my dad could buy it. I still do regret picking Ultra Magnus instead of Metroplex, but I digress.</p>
<p>I don’t blame my parents for not lying to me. How were they to know that was what parents here did? Who would assume the truth &#8212; that the population of an entire continent could knowingly be partaking in a conspiratorial deception employed to manipulate the mass psyche of their very own offspring?</p>
<p>It was hard reconciling this knowledge as a child with friends who firmly believed in the Christmas narrative. After inciting more than a few riotous classroom debates (and angry, vitriolic accusations), I decided to stop spouting my contrary, snarky comments when classmates talked about Santa, and flying reindeer, and cookies and milk. It wasn’t worth the effort, and who was I to tell them their parents were lying liars?</p>
<p>To this day I know many people who have heart wrenching tales of when they realized Santa wasn’t real. Still, it’s hard to say what I’ll do when I have kids of my own. I like to think I was a grounded child. My friends prefer to call my lack of belief in magic &#8216;deprived&#8217;. The truth might be somewhere in between.</p>
<p>I have a friend who dressed up as Santa one year to amuse kids at a holiday potluck. He’s a Chinese dude and although it was all just fun and games, part of me couldn’t help shake the thought that one day these children are going to seriously wonder about whether or not Santa is Chinese, and reconcile who this non-Chinese Santa at the mall is, asking them to sit on their lap.</p>
<p>(as an aside, who vets these Santas? Why are people so willing to send their children into the lap of strangers just because they&#8217;re wearing red tights and a fake beard? THINK PEOPLE. THINK!)</p>
<p>These are the things you have to consider when you commit to a lie. Also, the fact that these kids are always going to be one step ahead of you and, eventually, you&#8217;re going to end up with an incredibly tangled web of false reality that will collapse upon itself, crushing your child.</p>
<p>So in the end one has to wonder, who is this lie for anyways? Is it for the kids or for the parents to vicariously recapture the magic that they themselves had crushed as children?</p>
<p>I missed out on a lot of things growing up immersed in Chinese culture. The vicious cycle of Christmas mythology though? Not really one of those things.</p>
<p>Signed,</p>
<p>Scrooge McYau</p>
<p><em>This post is part of the <a href="http://ethnicaisle.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Ethnic Aisle</a>, a blog about issues of race, ethnicity and culture in the GTA.</em></p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Regional Holiday Music&#8221; (S3E10)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Jef: Season&#8217;s greetings! Simon: Happy Holidays! I was kind of hoping they&#8217;d top last year. [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Season&#8217;s greetings!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Happy Holidays!<br />
I was kind of hoping they&#8217;d top last year.<br />
They did not.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Same here! Unreasonable, I guess.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, high expectations</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Last year&#8217;s Christmas episode was something special.<br />
It was something that I could actually see myself watching years from now and getting into the holiday spirits off of.<br />
(But that&#8217;s me.)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: screw you, Charlie Brown</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> This was just&#8230;a Christmas episode.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so, it&#8217;s nothing new, but Community really likes to make fun of Glee<br />
why Glee, do you think in particular?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> They do and I love them for it, but honestly I was always hoping they wouldn&#8217;t actually do a musical episode.<br />
Glee is horrible, first off.<br />
It&#8217;s manipulative and inconsistent with its characters, so in certain ways it&#8217;s the opposite of Community</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: was this a musical episode though?<br />
or was it a Glee parody episode in the way they do parody episodes?<br />
it&#8217;s easy to say that&#8217;s the same thing, but I&#8217;m not so sure they are</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I see what you mean<br />
Either of those things though I always felt would be lazy of Community to do<br />
I loved that &#8220;flashback&#8221; episode last year because it felt like the show was acknowledging all of these overly wacky, overly obvious plots that they could never sustain for a whole episode<br />
I was wrong, I guess, but also&#8230;the end result wasn&#8217;t that bad<br />
What did you think?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree it was a bit of a stretch to turn that joke into an entire episode<br />
I do think it&#8217;s pertinent that it&#8217;s Glee that&#8217;s the target of their jabs though<br />
it really is the antithesis of Community, you&#8217;re so right about that<br />
they went out of their way to cramp the formulaic nature of Glee&#8217;s plots<br />
and I think even how they went into commercial with Britta as the last survivor, then suddenly she&#8217;s brainwashed when we get back<br />
that kind of unexplained gap is absolutely Glee-like<br />
it worked in that regard, as a joke<br />
as an episode it was kind of fruitless though it seemed</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha, I never thought about Britta&#8217;s sudden turn<br />
I agree the episode was fruitless, but even worse, it felt LATE as fuck</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: RIGHT? I don&#8217;t watch Glee anymore<br />
but I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s jumped the shark<br />
although that realistically probably happened in episode 2<br />
but still</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha no but you&#8217;re right<br />
I&#8217;m sure its ratings are still doing fine and whatnot, but the phenomenon has passed</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the fact there is no Glee Holiday Album knocking down our radios can attest to that I think<br />
&#8230; is there?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I have no idea.<br />
But yeah, the best time to make fun of this stuff would have been before Glee itself became a joke.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: To be honest though, I kind of like musical episodes<br />
it&#8217;s a gimmick but I&#8217;m a sucker for theatre<br />
the songs here though<br />
they were all terribad<br />
just&#8230;<br />
ah</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Guh, right?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i mean I know they weren&#8217;t trying<br />
but if you&#8217;re gonna do it, just&#8230; do it</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I almost literally facepalmed when Troy went full Childish Gambino<br />
That&#8217;s another thing I think should have never happened on this show</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I was actually kind of shocked that happened<br />
like, they let him bring that out on the show<br />
also, TERRIBLE</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Really bad.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Pierce&#8217;s Baby Boomer Santa song was equally painful</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I think Pierce&#8217;s was the only song I laughed at though.<br />
When he said, &#8220;You&#8217;re welcome, you&#8217;re welcome, for everything, in the world!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I thought Annie&#8217;s ditty was actually pretty funny by the end of it because they acknowledged the absurdity</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Alison Brie can kill it with the physical comedy when she wants to, yes?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: there was this one episode of Mad Men where she does the Charleston,<br />
and it was amazing</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> haha yeah I&#8217;ve seen it, and it was grand.<br />
My understanding too is that Brie can actually hit a note, so I thought it was weird they let Gambino run free but they didn&#8217;t let her sing.<br />
I would have much preferred if they did that talent distribution the other way around.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: admittedly, I almost fell off my couch laughing<br />
when they walk into the study room and Pierce goes &#8220;who&#8217;s that guy?&#8221;<br />
and they have a Chuck Klosterman looking fucker at the piano</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;I&#8217;m not the only one who can see him, right?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i died<br />
i mean, just a little. but i really did.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I also liked the end of Annie&#8217;s song, &#8220;Boo bee boo pee do, boo. Sex.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: then her devolution into gibberish<br />
there was something about this that didn&#8217;t really scream Holidays to me though<br />
i mean, it seemed more like they were pointing out that their show&#8217;s characters have emotional depth and Glee&#8217;s don&#8217;t<br />
and just used the holidays to hang their hat on that, but it didn&#8217;t really ring true for me</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I totally feel you on that<br />
I kept thinking this episode would redeem its concept by tying things together at the end.<br />
I loved how last year&#8217;s Christmas episode wound down with the meaning of Christmas being LOST and all that<br />
It was able to reach a very sincere place while also being this pop culture clusterfuck (aka Community at its best)<br />
But this week&#8217;s fell short on both ends, I think</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree. And whereas the characters were plumbed last year by revealing how they interacted with each other, and their personal feelings about the holidays, and background stories<br />
this year they basically just said &#8220;look, they care about each other&#8221;<br />
&#8220;the end&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> At LEAST give us a genuinely touching moment at the end.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right. it was all tell, no show.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Abed&#8217;s line about &#8220;Maybe Jeff&#8217;s right, maybe forcing things to be bright just makes the darkness underneath even darker,&#8221; wasn&#8217;t enough.<br />
And like we said, the songs weren&#8217;t good enough either.<br />
We saw a way better musical mash-up with Kiss From A Rose in the episode where Annie moves in with Troy and Abed. Having that comparison made the songs here extra lackluster.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the final thing being Glee is incredibly easy to make fun of<br />
i mean, the average Funny or Die skit could parody that show with equal aplomb</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a million of those clips already out there&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i guess i am sad about the lack of ambition for an episode i was highly anticipating</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It seems like they used it just to &#8220;end the semester&#8221; on a happy note<br />
As Abed and Jeff point out a couple of times<br />
Jeff: &#8220;I basically killed a guy this year.&#8221;<br />
Like, well, people are complaining we&#8217;re too dark.<br />
Let&#8217;s throw them a bone and then get on with the show.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you think? I don&#8217;t actually hear people complain they&#8217;re too dark<br />
then again, i don&#8217;t listen to people talk about Community except for&#8230; us</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha<br />
Complaint was probably the wrong word<br />
Concern? I know we&#8217;ve talked about it before, that the characters especially were becoming a bit nasty this year</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s true, we have touched on them being &#8220;not nice people&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> So is this the response though?<br />
&#8220;You want nice? Here. Watch GLEE.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;See how horrible it is?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: well, they were responsible for the Glee club being dismantled in the first place<br />
that wasn&#8217;t very nice<br />
i suppose there&#8217;s some poetic justice in that sense</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol<br />
Yeah I loved that turn where we find out the teacher killed everyone in the bus crash, making everything some kind of in-the-background Veronica Mars mass murder plot.<br />
(I am now revealing that I really love Veronica Mars.)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that show is the best</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> IS THIS WHERE WE JUST TALK ABOUT VERONICA MARS?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it died too soon<br />
that&#8217;s all i have to say about it</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah. Great show.<br />
I would have preferred if this were just a Veronica Mars parody episode.<br />
Or at least if it morphed into that.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230; that&#8217;s an amazing idea<br />
dude, tengentially<br />
have you ever watched that Star Wars Christmas special?<br />
the one that was banned because it was so horrible?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I tried once with some high school friends.<br />
IT&#8217;S ACTUALLY THAT BAD THOUGH.<br />
It&#8217;s unwatchable.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: IT REALLY IS<br />
SO, SO BAD<br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=323909610753051544">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=323909610753051544</a></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And EVERYONE is in it.<br />
HARRISON FORD IS IN IT.<br />
Which makes it harder to watch.<br />
Lol I closed that window really quickly.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Speaking of horrible Christmas specials<br />
Did you like Britta&#8217;s bit at the end?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I was going to bring this up but I thought one good thing about this episode was how much Britta we got<br />
yes, I thought it was great<br />
particularly knowing that &#8220;me so [blank]&#8221; is apparently a Britta catchphrase now</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It is!<br />
One of the reasons I love Britta is that she makes everyone else funnier as well.<br />
Characters get to react to her and say stuff like, &#8220;Oh. Britta&#8217;s in this?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: she&#8217;s a good foil because she doesn&#8217;t really have a set way of acting<br />
sometimes she&#8217;s ridiculous, sometimes she self-righteous, sometimes she&#8217;s actually wise<br />
there&#8217;s more flexibility with her character than say, Troy<br />
knowing this is the last ep for a while<br />
how do you feel about it as a send off?<br />
what if this is the last episode ever?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Well, it won&#8217;t be.<br />
Right?<br />
RIGHT?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I DON&#8217;T KNOW<br />
*<strong>pours a shot*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m pretty sure they&#8217;ll finish the season like they’ve said.<br />
But I&#8217;ve been known to lie to myself to make myself feel better, because that&#8217;s what handsome people do.<br />
IF it&#8217;s the last episode, well, at least we ended on a nice Christmas-card-ish shot of all of them together at the end.<br />
With enough hints of what we might miss out on, with Annie and Abed sharing a moment, and Troy and Britta sitting together.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I totally didn&#8217;t pick up on that!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Might be reading into it, but yup, those were the seating arrangements<br />
With the adults all in the background.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: duh doy!<br />
I am continually impressed though with the show&#8217;s commitment to in-jokes<br />
i mean, this whole episode, for starters<br />
but things like Abed&#8217;s buttered noodles</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Abed&#8217;s buttered noodles are amazing<br />
I even just like saying it! Buttered noodles.<br />
Was there anything in this episode that you could see them building off of?<br />
Or was it entirely a self-contained, maybe throwaway ep?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, more boobie jokes</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha<br />
Boobie jokes, fart jokes<br />
It&#8217;s been a classy season</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I do think the Troy and Britta thing will coalesce by the end of this season<br />
there was the sitting you just mentioned<br />
but even Troy sticking up for her<br />
&#8220;you don&#8217;t get to call Britta the worst!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> There you go! Totally didn&#8217;t pick up on that but you&#8217;re right.<br />
And more and more Jeff and Annie&#8217;s thing seems to be based on forbidden lust and not much more.<br />
Whereas Annie and Abed make genuine googly eyes at each other every once in awhile.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Do people make genuine goggly eyes in real life?<br />
is that a real thing?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Well, Alison Brie and Danny Pudi do I guess.<br />
They have rather large eyes.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: goggly ones, even<br />
uh<br />
googly</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Goggly eyes would be frightening!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but safe!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> lolol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: chang chang chang chaaaaaang</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> OH YEAH<br />
that was my favourite part, the end number with the side characters.<br />
Again, I feel it lacked in ambition (I thought it was going to go NUTS but didn&#8217;t)<br />
But I still liked and will watch it again</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it felt more genuine than the actual episode to me<br />
like, the show honestly wants us to have a happy holidays guys!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;My name is Alex&#8230;My name is Alex&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: lol<br />
he&#8217;s been totally AWOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, right?<br />
I mean I get that he&#8217;s pretty one-note<br />
But he&#8217;s Starburns! Everything needs more Starburns</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: pop-pop to that</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong>  anything else you wanna get into?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: naw, i think we got everything?<br />
you?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Boo boop be doop.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: sex</p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Foosball and Nocturnal Vigilantism&#8221; (S3E9)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Jef: Hey yo Simon: yo game on Jef: So&#8230; That episode was pretty eh Simon: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Community_foosball.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-8481" title="Community_foosball" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Community_foosball.jpg" alt="Community_foosball" width="450" height="253" /></a>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hey yo</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yo<br />
game on</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> So&#8230;<br />
That episode was pretty eh</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: we finally got that Shirley ep<br />
it was not what I expected</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I feel bad for the Shirley character.<br />
If this is the best they have for her &#8212; the throwaway &#8220;normal&#8221; episode after the super quirky one &#8212; I think it&#8217;s clear they don&#8217;t know what to do with her anymore.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the episode from last season<br />
Troy&#8217;s birthday<br />
was a much better way to paint her character as three dimensional<br />
this was like a caricature of that episode almost</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah Mixology did the exact same thing but so much better</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: although, and maybe I&#8217;m being paranoid<br />
I do feel this episode had high general appeal<br />
casual viewers got a lot of &#8220;Community type comedy&#8221; this week</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I get the need for these episodes every once in awhile<br />
Especially as breathing room after the run of bizarre episodes we&#8217;ve had<br />
It just concerns me it&#8217;s the first Shirley story we&#8217;ve had, as if they tried to kill two birds with one stone.<br />
Everything felt very obligatory.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i was almost certain we&#8217;d catch up with her baby and Chang relationship<br />
alas</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Instead we get this retcon with Jeff<br />
Which I don&#8217;t think felt natural at all<br />
Did you like that storyline?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I liked it from a purely sitcom perspective<br />
i mean, it was silly and fun<br />
and the random anime was pretty golden<br />
the idea that it impacts the greater narrative of their characters at all seems out of place<br />
although I guess now we know they&#8217;ve known each other a long time<br />
asides from that their bff thing was pretty lost on me</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah that ending of them walking away arm-on-arm fell pretty flat for me<br />
The anime was as fun as it should have been I guess&#8230;on the bright side the episode gave Shirley fun things to say<br />
Like, &#8220;foosball is a vile game for vile people&#8221;<br />
Also, I like the callback to Jeff and Shirley making fun of Britta&#8217;s season 1 boyfriend<br />
&#8230;what was his name again?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230; i dont&#8217; know, but wasn&#8217;t it the dude from Robin Hood Men in Tights?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> VAUGHN</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;Britta&#8230; she&#8217;s a great big B&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> “Getting rid of Britt-aah”<br />
lol no way not Cary Elwes<br />
is that who you&#8217;re thinking?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: YES<br />
ok no it wasn&#8217;t him hahaha<br />
they look similar</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Same daffy blonde guy stare, yeah<br />
Did you like the B story with the Abed&#8217;s Dark Knight disc?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I enjoyed Troy and Annie&#8217;s conversations<br />
Basically Troy is the best</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The Troy and Annie scene was my favourite part<br />
Was that even the B story?<br />
Which one was the B story???</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think it was the B story haha<br />
I assume anything discussed before the song is the A story</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> haha good rule</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the idea that Troy is mildly afraid of Abed makes me giggle<br />
also, Alison Brie does a pretty good Christian Bale</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I love that she tried doing the voice twice<br />
It was nice getting to see them just being roommates<br />
The stakes of the B story were just high enough. It was all fluff pretty much but still a nice slice of the stupid adventures they must get into all the time.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;I thought you moving in was supposed to tone us down!&#8221;<br />
followed fittingly with &#8220;WHO ARE YOU??&#8221;<br />
I want to be their fourth roommate</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;Women&#8217;s shoes? Rick doesn&#8217;t have a wife&#8230;OR WOMEN&#8217;S FEET.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: lots of classic Troy<br />
sadly little Britta</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah!<br />
This episode was light on guest appearances<br />
But also light on main cast appearances in general<br />
Barely any Britta or Pierce<br />
No Chang or Dean<br />
I am going to take this to mean Britta is the center of the Christmas episode<br />
or at least I hope</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: We can hope, she has at least 5 Totorolla phones to get her through the holiday season</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL Totorolla<br />
This episode was too light, there&#8217;s nothing to talk about!<br />
From Abed&#8217;s Batman character to Shirley&#8217;s &#8220;I have a dark past (that&#8217;s not really that dark)&#8221; thing, it was all a bunch of old jokes that they took out for another stroll<br />
Even the foosball gimmick felt like Jeff&#8217;s pool obsession from season one</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I always though Shirley was more than just a few years older than Jeff</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha but she keeps telling us<br />
that she&#8217;s basically the same age as Jeff</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: STILL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL<br />
She&#8217;ll make your ass sense.<br />
so&#8230;should we call it an early night?<br />
I am laughing, btw</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I DON&#8217;T KNOW WHAT TO TALK ABOUT</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol<br />
I think my favourite part of the episode was Leonard’s youtube video at the end</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I like how spot on it was</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> 5 stars!<br />
A buy!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I also feel slightly offended on behalf of German exchange students everywhere</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Horrible, horrible German accents<br />
aka the best German accents!<br />
I just hit pause on the giant screen of text that Leornard has up at the end of his youtube vid<br />
I am assuming this is a dig at Chuck Lorre?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I watched it live<br />
what does it say?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s a huge rant on paying late fees for movie rentals<br />
It includes a reference to &#8220;Dan In Real Life&#8221; and the phrase &#8220;duh doy&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s basically awesome.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: What does that have to do with Chuck Lorre?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> His shows end with a big wall of text<br />
Random rants and stuff<br />
You know, it&#8217;s his &#8220;thing&#8221;<br />
ANYWAYS.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I have literally never watched an entire episode of any of his shows, haha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That&#8217;s a good thing!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think so!<br />
I think we&#8217;re tapping out.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, there&#8217;s nothing to see here.<br />
A pretty basic episode.<br />
Had some laughs as usual but ultimately it&#8217;s one for the shoe safe.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you&#8217;re very good with faces<br />
I&#8217;m off to eat some butter noodles</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Alright<br />
Next week, Christmas episode!<br />
Yeah?<br />
Yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: HOPEFULLY</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> FIN.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that was sad hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> not our fault!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it&#8217;s true!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> what are butter noodles?<br />
are they noodles made of butter?<br />
am i being very stupid right now about butter noodles?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i think they&#8217;re noodles with butter, hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> that would make more sense</p>
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		<title>Reeling: &#8220;Take This Waltz&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Take This Waltz” is a beautiful film. Channelling the smouldering (and stalkerish) sexuality of Wong Kar-Wai’s “In The Mood For Love” while also slightly cramping its vibrant visual style, director Sarah Polley is in her element when contextualizing life &#8212; long sighs, lingering glances and carnal tension spill off the screen with prodigious visual ease. [...]]]></description>
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<p>“Take This Waltz” is a beautiful film. Channelling the smouldering (and stalkerish) sexuality of Wong Kar-Wai’s “In The Mood For Love” while also slightly cramping its vibrant visual style, director Sarah Polley is in her element when contextualizing life &#8212; long sighs, lingering glances and carnal tension spill off the screen with prodigious visual ease.</p>
<p>Michelle Williams slides seamlessly into the role of Margot, a 28 year-old aspiring writer and young wife, adrift in the kind of ennui those life decisions predictably entail. Williams’ performance is sublime as she turns in her best Holden Caulfield-in-a-long-term-relationship impression.</p>
<p>Seth Rogen plays Margot’s doting, teddy bear of a husband Lou, who despite his evident goofiness manages to elicit sympathetic good-guy vibes in potentially ominous ways. The final piece of <em>Waltz’s</em> love triangle is Daniel, played by relative newcomer Luke Kirby. Daniel is Margot’s neighbour and the manifestation of her physical and emotional desire, after an initial meeting that straddles the grey area between cutely serendipitous and cloyingly ridiculous.</p>
<p>Toronto serves as the gorgeous, bokeh backdrop for Polley’s bittersweet sophomore effort. Not to be understated, the Earl Haig Secondary School alumnus (<em>shoutout class of 2001!</em>) makes her hometown look better than perhaps any other film in memory. Toronto’s local haunts and iconic neighbourhoods are supersaturated in summer palates; Polley’s penchant for focusing on minutiae transforms recognizable streets into an atmospheric haze that parallels Margot’s myopic internal conflict.</p>
<p>It’s worth tangentially noting that at some point in the film, I stopped consciously observing that the movie was purposely set and unfolding in Toronto. Considering an early reference to “Dufferin and Queen” generated cheering from my audience, it seems pertinent that Sarah Polley might be the first director to ever make Toronto gracefully inconspicuous on screen. But I digress.</p>
<p>Polley’s attempts to portray life’s vagaries are often hampered by her own ambition; delicate visuals are often juxtaposed with overwrought dialogue. Moreover, excess words do extra disservice by being slightly too on-point for the films artful ambiguity. Polley is definitely more concise speaking with a camera instead of a pen.</p>
<p>Still, sometimes it works. In one particular scene shot in the Lakeview Diner, Daniel verbally ravishes Margot with a raw intimacy that may forever redefine the art of sexting. The monologue is in some ways absurd, but also easily the most legitimately erotic moment in the movie.</p>
<p>The film clocks in at an ambitious two hours long. Tightening it down by 20 minutes might have resulted in an instant classic, but it’s hard to nitpick because, much like real life, Polley’s story is not easily defined.</p>
<p>If I had to oversimplify, “Take This Waltz” might be a sexually charged, romantic-dramedy, coming-of-age-tale. Mostly however, it’s just a gorgeous and artful exploration of modern life.</p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Documentary Filmmaking: Redux&#8221; (S3E8)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Jef: Man. Simon: that was an amazing episode naturally to make us sadder Jef: It [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Man.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that was an amazing episode<br />
naturally<br />
to make us sadder</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It almost upset me how good this episode was.<br />
haha yeah<br />
I really do fear that we are recapping the final season of Community here.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: don&#8217;t SAY THAT<br />
“six seasons and a movie!” remember??</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> “My clique should be canceled<br />
Freaks and Geeks”<br />
Sigh<br />
Alright<br />
So in this episode the Dean has to film a new enrolment commercial for Greendale<br />
I kind of liked that the whole episode was a countdown to a Luis Guzman cameo<br />
You&#8217;re waiting for fucking Luis Guzman to come make things right again.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230; and he does</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so many shows would use an obscure reference like that without following through</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Or use him to up the weirdness levels<br />
instead of returning things to normalcy</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: this was a Simpsons level cameo<br />
<strong><br />
</strong><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, totally</p>
<p><strong>Simon:</strong> did you go to Humber because of an ad?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL<br />
I&#8217;m not even quite sure how I ended up there.</p>
<p><strong>Simon:</strong> I don&#8217;t know if they had ads back then?<br />
they have posters on the TTC these days</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I&#8217;ve seen the ads playing in Yonge and Dundas square<br />
The &#8220;journalism student&#8221; wears such funky hats.</p>
<p><strong>Simon:</strong> &#8230; we kind of do though</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Totally accurate!<br />
Speaking of wardrobes<br />
Annie was extra hot this week</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: why?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> These are the intelligent thoughts I have to contribute this week!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I have literally no complaints<br />
I just want to list all the amazing things about this episode</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Let&#8217;s do it</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: chronologically<br />
because it&#8217;s a recap? I don&#8217;t know<br />
Jeff does a really mean Dean Pelton</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Holy crap he was amazing<br />
&#8220;This is my sister&#8217;s outfit!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: he even got the mannerisms down!<br />
I also really enjoyed that the Dean&#8217;s office had his dalmatian posters up</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, all that stuff we complained about last week re: Dean just turning into a gay caricature&#8230;<br />
Totally solved this week.<br />
This is exactly the kind of stuff I&#8217;ve been wanting them to do.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, he was pretty incredible<br />
for some reason this show really lends itself to the fake documentary format</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s so cinematic already</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: all the meta comments about Hearts of Darkness were just icing</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha man, the Dean&#8217;s breakdown scene</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: YES hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> where he&#8217;s rubbing ash over his face and naked body<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m horrible&#8230;.I&#8217;m horrible.&#8221;<br />
I couldn&#8217;t even handle how hilarious and genuinely beautiful that was</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: what DID he do to the ice cream machine??</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong>   Haha<br />
I am guessing he made love to it.<br />
The pan-sexual imp is back!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that sounds painful.<br />
what did you think of Pierce&#8217;s role?<br />
he was kind of like a running gag but I&#8217;m not sure why they chose that route for him</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> yeah, I don&#8217;t mind when they segregate Chevy usually, because normally it just gives him room to show his physical comedy chops<br />
but here I think he definitely would have been better used actually being IN the documentary</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right? I mean I get that he&#8217;s a crazy old dude<br />
but he really did seem a bit squandered</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> He would have been hilarious on set<br />
And he was already separated last week</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: good point.<br />
the amount of details in this episode<br />
was incredible</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, the details! The details.<br />
Britta&#8217;s title card: &#8220;Britta Perry: anarchist cat owner”</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so accurate!<br />
the scene of her and Troy doing the 12 hour take was comedy gold</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha holy shit</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i pretty much died<br />
when Troy yelled &#8220;stop saying I&#8217;m different!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> When they tied ropes around them and were pulling their arms<br />
And Dean was all &#8220;You can&#8217;t even do it when we&#8217;re helping you!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think part of the reason this episode was so great<br />
was it really allows us to define the best parts of each character</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It was another sweet episode</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it was essentially a way to individually spotlight each cast member<br />
each interview reinforced what we enjoy about them<br />
Annie&#8217;s keenerism turning into stockholm syndrome<br />
Britta psycho analyzing<br />
Troy being Troy<br />
Jeff was a pleasant surprise again though<br />
he&#8217;s been a bit out of characters two weeks in a row now<br />
in an awesome way though<br />
&#8220;I made bald friends!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Jeff&#8217;s been <em>trying</em> lately<br />
Which is really different for him but feels organic<br />
I like it a lot</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: their ability to transform him from normal Jeff to Jeff-sucked-into-crazy-director-Dean&#8217;s-vision-and-desperate-for-screen-time was pretty unbelievable<br />
they did it in like 7 minutes with 4 shots</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah, I did make a note of the fact that the tone totally changes<br />
after the first commercial break.<br />
It all goes to hell really fast lol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Pelton&#8217;s costumes were amazing<br />
I feel like they&#8217;re making fun of a director<br />
but I couldn&#8217;t pin down who</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It would be great if it were Dan Harmon</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: he wears hoodies with no shirt underneath?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I have no idea</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: WHO DOES THAT</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I was a little dismayed that as his stubble grew and his clothes got grimier&#8230;<br />
&#8230;he started to look more and more like me.<br />
I think it&#8217;s time for a new look.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think you&#8217;re ahead of the trends</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> wait for it<br />
&#8230;<br />
STREETS AHEAD.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you deserve a trailer for that</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And I&#8217;m not coming out!<br />
How do you feel about this Troy/Britta deal?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I like that even the Dean knows Troy is into her</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah<br />
I love love love the awkwardness of it<br />
because they are both really good at doing awkward</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i totally thought they were going to start making out<br />
as the punchline to that scene</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah<br />
And I&#8217;m glad they didn&#8217;t though</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, Harmon wins again<br />
them being scared at the sight of each other is infinitely more hilarious</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, trauma!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i don&#8217;t think they should get together though<br />
that seems kind of absurd to me?<br />
i feel like their age difference is the same as Jeff and Annie&#8217;s?<br />
which for some reason is always a huge deal</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s weird because it&#8217;s definitely not as big of an age gap<br />
But it feels like it is because Troy is like&#8230;.12 at heart<br />
Britta had my favourite line of the episode<br />
(Which I guess goes without saying now)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: *<strong>nodding*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;As a licensed psychology major I am declaring this a violation of human rights!&#8221;<br />
Which makes no sense three different ways, lol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i peed myself<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m taking psych 101 and I don&#8217;t even know what&#8217;s happening to me&#8221; was a close second</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah.<br />
And for subtlety, she also had<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t know why, but <em>this </em>is the last straw!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I really enjoyed when the Dean demanded reality<br />
then subbed in a blonde wig wearing Chang</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Chang was so good here too!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: him pacing behind Jeff?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> He was really restrained and still killing it<br />
Haha yeah<br />
And when he was explaining the wig under the bald cap<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m literally dying.&#8221;<br />
Even Leonard was great this episode!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It was full of win for everyone</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i wondered what happened to him<br />
I am kind of shocked we didn&#8217;t see starburns<br />
but watching the fat kid in a motion capture suit more than made up for it<br />
&#8220;that&#8217;s a toilet!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I will never remember that kid&#8217;s name<br />
And that&#8217;s ok with me</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: word</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It seems appropriate.<br />
Is this is the first episode to be that kind to Greendale as a school?<br />
Luis Guzman&#8217;s line at the end to the Dean, &#8220;Worship the people who are here right now. This is a special school. You don&#8217;t deserve to be here.&#8221; That was&#8230;.sweet.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I thought that was a really interesting angle<br />
because it REALLY captures community college as an experience</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Totally</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Luis Guzman is wrong<br />
colleges are not special schools<br />
they, in general, are kind of awful hahahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha<br />
Hey now!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but that awfulness ABSOLUTELY fosters bonding<br />
the type that doesn&#8217;t happen in university.<br />
we can totally attest to that I think</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That&#8217;s been my experience for sure yeah, having attended both as well.<br />
Jeff has that line at the end when he&#8217;s forgiving the Dean for his breakdown<br />
where he says he forgives him &#8220;because we&#8217;ve all been there; which is why we&#8217;re all here.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: perfect Community ending</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s a diss to the school in a way but goes back to painting it as a place for second chances</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: appropriately sappy</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Which was really <em>nice</em></p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea<br />
I mean, that&#8217;s the whole crux of the episode right?<br />
the insanity of making a commercial<br />
when in the end Abed reuses the final scene of the dancing dude<br />
because come on<br />
nobody picks a community college based on the ads hahaha<br />
people go because they have to go</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, you go because you need to for whatever life reasons.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but they meet special people there<br />
which the episode portrayed astoundingly accurately</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And the Dean was a great choice to focus the episode on<br />
He runs the college but doesn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; college</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: because he went to university</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong>  This is all very obvious stuff I&#8217;m saying<br />
But it was just really nice</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha are we saying this stuff just because we went to college?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i think so yes hahaha<br />
i do think there&#8217;s a certain level of<br />
&#8230;. recognition?<br />
that you might not appreciate unless you&#8217;ve been to a community college when watching this show</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, the understanding is there.<br />
Of the community college experience and of these characters and why they’re there.<br />
lol ok<br />
Tangent<br />
But how amazing were the noises coming from the Dean&#8217;s edit of the documentary?<br />
<strong>*gunshots*</strong><br />
<strong>*porn moans*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i particularly liked how sudden the cuts were</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah<br />
And Guzman&#8217;s reactions to watching it were amazing</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I liked that he was editing it on his totally normal laptop</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, nothing crazy there</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: after all that insanity<br />
still using Microsoft movie maker</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> You know, the other great thing about how the show used Guzman is in just that he was playing himself.<br />
So Greendale really is a place that you can graduate from and make something of yourself from.<br />
Again, sweet episode.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, I loved that aspect of it<br />
the shot of him looking at his statue was priceless</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahahaha yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: or saying<br />
&#8220;helllooooo, it&#8217;s meeeee. Luis Guzman&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL yeah<br />
And stepping out his car with a big shit-eating Jack Nicholson grin</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: ok, so finally, my favourite part of the episode<br />
the final scene in the study room<br />
where Abed is filiming<br />
but also in random shots<br />
while the show&#8217;s real camera guy<br />
sporadically appears and disappears<br />
I was like<br />
WHAT THE FUCK<br />
SO AMAZING</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh the meta was done so well this week!<br />
I agree</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it was so subtle!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And Abed&#8217;s speech about how telling sad stories can make them happy, simply for the fact that they’re being told<br />
Like, wow<br />
I just said &#8220;like, wow&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: twice!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> THAT&#8217;S HOW GOOD IT WAS</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: his little glance at the camera as he walks away</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Seriously though, episodes like this make the news of the mid-season pull really hard to take<br />
Because I NEED to see these people graduate now.<br />
I know they&#8217;re going to tell the fuck out of that story.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: do you think they played this episode out of order just to go out into the hiatus with a bang?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I don&#8217;t know but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised.<br />
This isn’t the last one before the break, is it?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;m not sure to be honest<br />
i wasn&#8217;t even sure there would be an episode this week</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I refuse to believe that we&#8217;re not getting a Christmas episode.<br />
That can&#8217;t be real life.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I don&#8217;t understand why anybody would NOT watch this show<br />
how it could have poor ratings is literally unfathomable to me</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I saw some off-hand comments on Facebook that the show had jumped the shark this season anyway.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: who said that? punch that person in the face.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT JUMPING THE SHARK MEANS.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: they did a whole episode about that!<br />
that&#8217;s how streets ahead they are!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha<br />
&#8220;Just so you know, there was an episode of Happy Days where they literally jumped over a shark. And it was THE BEST ONE.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: exactly<br />
there&#8217;s a lot of Community left to go<br />
I honestly don&#8217;t know if it has 6 seasons in it<br />
maybe one or two more at most<br />
but it definitely needs one or two more</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, at this point honestly all I&#8217;m asking is for four seasons.<br />
I want them to graduate.<br />
I can live comfortably with just that.<br />
They&#8217;re building up to that story so confidently and brilliantly</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i do think one more, and then it can go out still riding high<br />
beyond a fourth season i legitimately can see it jumping the shark</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Definitely, me too.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it&#8217;d still be good<br />
but not the best</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah I&#8217;d still watch.<br />
But that&#8217;s what makes this possible cancellation even more frustrating<br />
If we end up reaching three years, and we know they only needed one more to score this television home run<br />
&#8230;.<br />
I&#8217;ll be no fun to be around for awhile</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i&#8217;m trying to figure out what fans will mail to NBC in a show of support</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8230;possums?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: dalmations?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I like that we pick the most threatening things.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Seal cds</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> YES</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;d be pretty amazing actually</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Let&#8217;s start this movement</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: dude, if someone MAILED me a possum, I would be terrified</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> haha yeah<br />
Don&#8217;t do that, people.<br />
Just send them some kisses from some roses.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i&#8217;m sad</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha<br />
I&#8217;ve got no words of comfort for you<br />
I think this might be it, to be honest</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: stiff upper lip<br />
there&#8217;s more episodes<br />
it&#8217;s not the END end</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I know they were already thinking of axing it before<br />
So they might have run out of goodwill by now</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea<br />
i suspect the fan outrage might be pretty significant<br />
i feel like it&#8217;s just one of those shows everybody watches via download or Hulu</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> We&#8217;re a passionate fandom<br />
But are we really that large?<br />
I don&#8217;t know</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it&#8217;s true<br />
nobody I know really watches it<br />
except my girlfriend, because i made her</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah same, and I have two friends who are really into it<br />
Everyone else says shit like &#8220;I don&#8217;t get it&#8221; or &#8220;IT JUMPED THE SHARK&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i don&#8217;t get that though<br />
it&#8217;s so accessible<br />
i don&#8217;t get how people don&#8217;t immediately find it hilarious</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s hard to get into at all<br />
My girlfriend doesn&#8217;t even catch half of the reference but still laughs her ass of anyway<br />
On the pure comical level it still works<br />
Just like the Simpsons did</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, and it just gets better the more you understand</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And the characters are real<br />
Treated with respect and fleshed out</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: sigh</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong>  Hahahaha<br />
look at us ranting on the internet about television at 12:30 in the morning</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: we lead difficult lives</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Fight the power, people. Fight it with your hugs!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: who are you talking to?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Uh&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: nice try there</p>
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<p><em><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/COMMUNITY-Studies-in-Modern-Movement-Season-3-Episode-7-6-550x365.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-8442" title="COMMUNITY-Studies-in-Modern-Movement-Season-3-Episode-7-6-550x365" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/COMMUNITY-Studies-in-Modern-Movement-Season-3-Episode-7-6-550x365.jpg" alt="" width="445" height="295" /></a>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
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<p><strong>jef</strong>: Annie moved in.</p>
<div>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yo, we&#8217;re totally calling these episodes<br />
even I&#8217;m impressed with us!</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I know right?<br />
We&#8217;re amazingly smart and handsome.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: not necessarily in that order</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Not even necessarily those traits.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: did you find the episode as amusing as the premise?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Well, when you phrase it like that&#8230;.no.<br />
And I&#8217;m surprised I&#8217;m saying that, haha.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: interesting. ELABORATE.</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: It was highly amusing but I do feel that they had to exaggerate the man-childness of Troy and Abed in<br />
order to make the premise, Annie&#8217;s move being torture at first, work.<br />
And I dunno, I buy that these guys are stupid in a fun way.<br />
But like, not actually that stupid.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: this was a zany episode for sure<br />
jef: That said though, I didn&#8217;t really have these feelings until you asked that question.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i asked because i felt the same way<br />
in my head the premise was a great foil for hanging out in their world<br />
but they seemed to almost turn troy and abed on their own cliches?<br />
not sure if it was intentional<br />
that extra room being some mystery play room was totally predictable I think</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Definitely.<br />
It was a nice touch having it look like the Holodeck though!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that it was decorated to look like a holodeck was pretty amazing<br />
yes!!<br />
I wanted them ask for tea, earl grey, hot</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Hahaha.<br />
Yeah, I was waiting for a Q joke.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so here&#8217;s a less funny convo<br />
we discussed during advanced gay<br />
how the gay jokes came off kind of immature and lazy<br />
not sure if you saw but Sady Doyle went nuts over that shit<br />
calling it offensive and stuff</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: No, haven&#8217;t seen that yet.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: what are your thoughts on how they&#8217;re playing up Dean Pelton this season?<br />
are they turning sexuality into too big a punchline?<br />
like haha, let&#8217;s laugh at the creepy queer?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Well, I think I mentioned it in another interrobang that I preferred how they used him in Season 1, where<br />
he was just so off-the-wall sexually that he didn&#8217;t really fit into any categories.<br />
Hence the pan-sexual imp line we heard I think in the season opener.<br />
But more and more the joke just seems to be that he&#8217;s just, you know, a gay guy.<br />
Which yeah, isn&#8217;t really as funny as him being attracted to dalmatians.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure why they&#8217;ve gone that angle but they have, and even if you don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s offensive per se,<br />
it&#8217;s less funny.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think it&#8217;s just overkill?<br />
like, it&#8217;s funny when they drop those jokes subtly<br />
&#8220;hello Smithers, how are you&#8221; type details<br />
but he&#8217;s not doing jokes anymore<br />
it seems like him being gay IS the joke?<br />
which comes across strange</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, that&#8217;s it exactly.<br />
And in this episode, he downright becomes a menace, black mailing Jeff and it&#8217;s gone from inappropriate<br />
vague remarks to just outright sexual harassment.<br />
The Seal singalong was hilarious, but really, what the fuck was that?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right, and the ordering for him and stuff</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: And reading his emails.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s going to get picked up later on I assume, haha</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I assume it&#8217;s a building storyline, what with Pelton on the cast on all I assume he has an arc being built,<br />
but yeah I&#8217;m not digging what they&#8217;re doing with him as much as I initially thought I would when I first<br />
heard they&#8217;d be using him more this season.<br />
I thought the idea would be to make him more of a character, not more of a caricature.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: true say<br />
in typical Community fashion however<br />
i laughed through the whole ep</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I did too, just not at Troy and Abed, which felt weird yo.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i laughed at the candy cigarettes</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Oh yeah, &#8220;I picked the wrong week to quit.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: my girlfriend bought me candy cigarettes for my birthday</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: She&#8217;s a keeper!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but not a case</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Wait, no.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Get rid of her.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I had no idea what Pierce was doing this ep<br />
but the shirley and jeff stories were both pretty solid I thought<br />
particularly the Shirley one, because she&#8217;s been building up to this &#8220;confrontation&#8221; of sorts with Britta for a<br />
while</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Do you think that was the end of that?<br />
Their little moment truce moment when they kick the Jesus psycho (aka Jesus) out of the car?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i don&#8217;t think they change<br />
but I do think they understand each other a little bit more</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: If that was the culmination of that story though, I have zero idea what they&#8217;re doing with Shirley this<br />
season then.<br />
I thought they were leading to a falling out over her preachiness, but without that she&#8217;s really been doing<br />
nothing this season.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: baking!</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: And killing the five lines she has every episode.</p>
<p>Simon: brit-ta!<br />
I agree though, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the end of it<br />
I feel like they&#8217;re setting things up with this story in a greater arc<br />
maybe providing a sympathetic side?<br />
although I don&#8217;t know how this made her seem more sympathetic haha</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Haha yeah, not at all really.<br />
But Jeff seems to be getting a sympathetic side lately.<br />
Is this the first we&#8217;ve heard that he&#8217;s in therapy?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I believe so yes<br />
and he wanted to be alone this weekend?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Plus, the crying at the end!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Plus not sleeping with a girl who&#8217;s throwing herself at him<br />
also, momentarily enjoying Asian style karaoke music video making<br />
seemingly an unguarded moment?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, that was such a weird place for a genuine moment like that!<br />
It makes me realize though that we really don&#8217;t know Jeff at all away from Greendale.<br />
We saw him with his lawyer buddies but of course he&#8217;s fake as hell with them.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230; do you think it&#8217;s possible that Jeff is gay?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Whoa.<br />
That could be a interesting way to balance things out.<br />
(Jef is thinking.)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: how to explain the Annie googly eyes though&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: But yeah, I&#8217;m sure his issues have more to do with his father.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: if his father is Seal I&#8217;m going to eat my shoes<br />
then die laughing</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: God, kiss from a rose is so awesome, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it really is</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: There was no point in me saying that, but I felt it needed to be said.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that was the only good part of Batman Forever</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: That soundtrack was just insane.<br />
That U2 track?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the video for hold me thrill me was mad trippy</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, what was going on with that Batman movie I don&#8217;t even.<br />
Sorry so off track lol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: DIGRESSION</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: PIERCE!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i didn&#8217;t understand any of it</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I know he was mad aimless this week but I kind of liked it.<br />
It did give Chevy a chance to show off some stuff.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: plus it showed he still wants to take care of Annie</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: While everyone else was segregated and bouncing off each other he was putting on a one man show<br />
Yeah dude, him working on Annie&#8217;s floor all by himself without complaining was maybe one of the<br />
sweetest moments of the show for me.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i mean, he&#8217;s a screw up<br />
but he obviously genuinely cares<br />
which is saying a lot for him</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: And unlike that time he gave her rent money, this time he didn&#8217;t have any ulterior motive and wasn&#8217;t just<br />
being needy for affection.<br />
He was really just doing her a favour.<br />
Or&#8230;trying to .</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: maybe he really will be slightly different now that his dad is dead<br />
this show has too many layers<br />
it&#8217;s like an onion<br />
wrapped in a ball of shallots</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: An onion in an onion<br />
I&#8217;m getting hungry.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i&#8217;m crying<br />
if I was to award an MVP though<br />
again<br />
Britta wins</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, I know we keep saying it every week, but she&#8217;s great.<br />
And what they&#8217;re doing with her seems so effortless compared to with the other characters.<br />
She&#8217;s growing and changing but it&#8217;s not nearly as laboured.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: she came off strangely mature this week<br />
her conversations with Annie<br />
and compromise with Shirley<br />
and forgiveness of Jeff</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah right?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: all while making the best reactionary faces ever</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I mean, maybe she was just high.<br />
But she was very loosey-goosey with everything.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: goosey loosey?<br />
is there a hyphen or not?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: You ask me like I know anything about grammar.<br />
I liked the presentation of Annie and Britta&#8217;s friendship this week too.<br />
Even though Annie got in one of her amazing Britta disses (and Annie is amazing at dissing Britta) &#8220;Don&#8217;t<br />
make jokes! You&#8217;re bad at it!&#8221;<br />
It was nice to see them as just girlfriends.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: dodging those bullets of friendship!<br />
the loosey goosey was decent advice too</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: It is solid advice.<br />
I think&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: whatever</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: lol<br />
So we seem to like the jokes in this episode and yet aren&#8217;t thrilled by it.<br />
Is it one of your least favourite this year?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: this is such a tough show to be objective about<br />
you end up enjoying he characters so much<br />
any 30 minutes you hang out in their world is going to be fairly enjoyable<br />
and this is basically just us hanging out with them on one saturday<br />
nothing really &#8220;happens&#8221;<br />
and there&#8217;s a sappy ending<br />
but&#8230; yes, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s one of the least interesting episodes so far this year<br />
even the other non-plot related weeks, the zany was done smarter</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Right, like the Asian Annie debate, for me.<br />
I am kind of worried that I&#8217;m getting into Lost mode, where I like the characters so much that I&#8217;m in danger<br />
of forgiving the show for too much</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I can see why you&#8217;d worry about that</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: If you mean, CONSIDERING HOW LOST TURNED OUT, yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but at the same time<br />
no other show has me laughing for 22 out of 26 minutes or whatever<br />
are our expectations too high?<br />
or are we laughing at unfunny shit now?<br />
i&#8217;m pretty sure this is still funnier than anything else on tv<br />
save for maybe Louie</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I think this show is so frequently great that when it&#8217;s not, it&#8217;s jarring.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: lol<br />
i must say one thing<br />
i am genuinely disappointed in<br />
is how unfunny Abed and Troy living together is<br />
i mean, the holodeck was a nice touch, as we said</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: HUGE disappointment</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but I WAS EXPECTING AMAZING</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: And there was no actual joke to the holodeck<br />
It was just that it looks like the holodeck<br />
But they did nothing with it.<br />
It was hard to watch Abed and Troy try so many jokes and have so many of them fall flat.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I didn&#8217;t laugh at any of the puppet show until the final scene with jeff crying<br />
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<div><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah.<br />
And none of the Twitter jokes were funny (how could they be?) until Jeff&#8217;s line at the end, &#8220;he<br />
tweeeeeeeeted iiiiiiiit!!!!&#8221;<strong>Simon</strong>: i didn&#8217;t even find that line funny!<strong>jef</strong>: Must not have ever happened to you!<br />
haha<strong>Simon</strong>: #anniesmove was a pretty nice touch<br />
no, that has never happened to me<br />
i am &#8220;THAT FRIEND&#8221; in my group, the only one who tweets semi-regularly</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: One more thing for me:<br />
the ending seem to be getting more and more abrupt, later-era Simpsons style<br />
And that kind of worries me.<br />
Episodes feel like this sprint of zany now and then when they reach the credits it&#8217;s like, whoo! We made it.<br />
Let&#8217;s just end this bitch.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that seems lazy?<br />
the show is certainly at it&#8217;s best when it has the cascading setups going<br />
but I can see how that&#8217;d be hard to maintain week to week</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I think part of it is that they&#8217;re doing more serialized storytelling, so endings aren&#8217;t really &#8220;endings&#8221; like<br />
they used to be<br />
But yeah, I&#8217;m often left feeling like the wind-down is forced or rushed<br />
If there is a wind-down at all</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s the thing that still differentiates this show from being like the Simpsons for me though<br />
it doesn&#8217;t seem episodic at all<br />
like, you don&#8217;t get the sense every week SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN<br />
you have a lot of &#8220;these people clearly live lives in between these episodes&#8221;<br />
and we&#8217;re just dropping in to watch them for a bit each week</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, like when I recommend this show to people I always say to start at the very beginning.<br />
Even aside from obvious things like Shirley&#8217;s baby, there&#8217;s threads throughout that are worth following.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right, even the nuances of the group dynamics</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Alright, so, Professor X<br />
What do you have up for next week?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: now there&#8217;s pressure<br />
I feel like we jinxed ourselves</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Perform!<br />
I&#8217;ll go with my prediction from last week again.<br />
Shirley episode.<br />
And if it&#8217;s not that, Nicole is getting shafted.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree with you, I think maybe they&#8217;ll do a Shirley Change episode<br />
they really haven&#8217;t touched on any of the stuff that happened with her last year</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Make it so.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: did you see the one where they were trapped in the holodeck and could actually die for realsies.</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Haha no, but I&#8217;m actually working my way through the series now from the start<br />
I&#8217;m on S2</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i still have kiss from a rose stuck in my head<br />
worf and diana are the seal and heidi klum of the alpha quandrant</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Worf and Diana end up together??<br />
spoilers yo<br />
wonderful spoilers</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i thought you had already seen it!</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: SEASON 2</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: and were rewatching it</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: haha no</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: MY BAD</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: haha it&#8217;s ok</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: anyhow<br />
yea, i laughed but it&#8217;s not a deep episode</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it does setup a bit</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: are we still interrobanging??</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I DON&#8217;T KNOW</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: hahahahahah<br />
go for it</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i mean, now the 3 of them live together<br />
and the email thing opens some doors<br />
that&#8217;s&#8230; something</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Something weird!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: let&#8217;s get the hell off of greendalia</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: let&#8217;s just end it anywhere lol<br />
the motion gif will save us</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: here<br />
yes</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: no wait, here</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230;.ok, there&#8217;s fine</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: i’m actually lolling instead of typing lol</p>
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		<title>Q&amp;A: Stephane Gauger on Saigon Electric, Vietnamese hip-hop and youth culture</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephane Gauger is a Vietnamese-American filmmaker based in L.A. whose latest work, Saigon Electric, premieres in Canada tonight as part of the Toronto Reel Asian Film Festival. A hip-hop dance film based in Vietnam, Saigon Electric tells the story of a traditional ribbon dancer from the countryside named Mai who moves to the city to audition at a [...]]]></description>
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<p>Stephane Gauger is a Vietnamese-American filmmaker based in L.A. whose latest work, <em>Saigon Electric</em>, premieres in Canada tonight as part of the Toronto Reel Asian Film Festival. A hip-hop dance film based in Vietnam, <em>Saigon Electric</em> tells the story of a traditional ribbon dancer from the countryside named Mai who moves to the city to audition at a major dance academy. Failing her entrance exam but unwilling to return home, Mai befriends a local b-girl named Kim, who introduces Mai to her crew, Saigon Fresh. The new friends navigate family issues and class barriers as they prepare for a showdown with a rival crew, the privileged rich kids called the North Killaz.</p>
<p><strong>The Ashcan: You were born in Vietnam, raised in Orange Country, right? Can you talk a bit about your background?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Stephane Gauger: </strong>Yeah, you can see the influence in my work. I have biracial parents – no wait, excuse me, <em>I’m</em> biracial [laughs]. I grew up with Vietnamese culture at home. I had a Vietnamese grandmother that didn’t speak any English so I spoke Vietnamese around the house and because of that, I’m fortunate to be able to work in Vietnam, to direct and produce in Vietnam, pretty easily. But yeah, if you ever meet me, you’ll see that I’m not very Asian looking [laughs].</p>
<p><strong>Do you stay in L.A. mostly or do you go back a lot?</strong></p>
<p>I go back to Vietnam for projects. I came to America when I was 5, so I’m pretty Americanized. I first went back to Vietnam in 1994; at that time it was still poor – and I’ve gone back about 20 times – and every time I go back , it just changes drastically.</p>
<p><strong>I know for other filmmakers I&#8217;ve spoken to who were born in Asia but are living elsewhere, going back to film in their homelands seems to be a way of revisiting or learning about their culture. Is that what it’s like for you?</strong></p>
<p>Uhm, I think I’m past the stage of getting to know my culture. Especially with my two narrative films, it was maybe [more about] <em>sharing</em> the culture. Like with my first feature for example, <em>Owl and the Sparrow</em>, what I wanted to share was that Saigon was a cosmopolitan city just like New York or Paris and that people have the same feelings of, you know, loneliness there. The country itself is still sort of getting out of the “third world” but the major cities are pretty cosmopolitan, I’d say.</p>
<p><strong>In<em> Saigon Electric</em> you shoot Vietnam quite strikingly, but you don’t exoticize the scenery. </strong></p>
<p>Well, my interests in telling Vietnamese stories lie more on the urban side, rather than the postcard side, the countryside. That’s what the tourist board would like you to see – traditional dresses in rice fields with buffaloes—but I’m more of a city person and more interested in the hustle and bustle of the city. I tend to keep it on the street as much as I can.</p>
<p><strong>Before you started work on the film, how into the Vietnamese hip-hop scene were you?</strong></p>
<p>Very, very minimal. I had to play a lot of catch-up. Because I’m based in L.A., what I did first was I started scouting the crews on Youtube. So I got a sense of who the crews were in Vietnam, after that  I had a co-producer go out and make contact with the crew leaders in both Saigon and Hanoi&#8230;and then when we landed and were prepping the film, I had to play catch up and really absorb their day to day routines. Some of the things I learned along the way were really interesting. For instance, I had it in the film where the North crew were very privileged and the South crew weren’t, but in actuality most of the dancers within the big cities tend to all be privileged. If there were any poor kids dancing, they’d be from the outskirts or more of the rural towns.</p>
<p>So that’s one thing I learned – when I got there and saw all the dancers, all the kids in crews would be decked out in hip-hop gear, Puma and Converse and Adidas shoes, and that’s not cheap to buy. Most of them come from good families.</p>
<p><strong>There’s a certain consciousness in your film I think, in that Mai doesn’t sort of “learn hip-hop” and use it for herself, like we see often in other dance films. </strong></p>
<p>Yeah, I mean there were a few people who were expecting &#8212; and I think some audience members would expect [as well] &#8212; Mai, the traditional dancer, to dance with [the crew]. But I think that’s a disservice to real hip-hop dancers, because you can’t really wing it in the span of a month. A lot of these dancers in the film have been with crews for at the very least two to three years. It takes time to develop those skills &#8230; [but] I did try to fuse a bit of traditional dance at the end with the lion drummers, which is a very Chinese and Vietnamese thing. And it was interesting, when I was prepping the film, asking the hip-hop crews there—because I was a little worried—I said, ‘For the finale I’m going to have a drum crew perform with you guys because I think it’s energetic.’ And they said, ‘Yes, we’ve done that before.’ They’d actually fused traditional music with hip-hop before. Those are the kind of things that you learn along the way before you shoot the film.</p>
<p><strong>Did you make a lot of changes as you learned more about the hip-hop scene?</strong></p>
<p>Not really, just little changes. Like, I had it in the script where one crew goes around with a donation box, and they said they don’t do that, they just dance for fun and dance for pride. Later on, before the finale in the film [I planned] a montage of them training; I had them jogging along the river, and I wanted to capture that in slow motion. But they said they just kind of train&#8230;they don’t jog. And there were a lot of these details that we get from American films that didn’t really translate to a Vietnamese film.</p>
<p><strong>Are you a fan of these Hollywood dance films?</strong></p>
<p>A few of them. I’m more of a drama guy, so for me, with <em>Saigon Electric</em>, the dance aspect is secondary to the story and characters, so structurally I tried to have it more similar to something like<em> Save the Last Dance</em>, which is very heavy on the drama.</p>
<p><strong>So more story, and less&#8230;Step Up 3D, I guess?</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. The emphasis in the Step Up movies is to showcase the dance&#8230;with mine, because I like good acting, I tried to emphasize the story more than the dance. And you know, with a small budget, I didn’t feel like I could really compete with American dance films so I didn’t even try. But because of the context of a dance film, I do have requisite dance elements in it, the final battle being one of them.</p>
<p><strong>Are you a hip-hop fan?</strong></p>
<p>I’m not a hip-hop aficionado; what I found interesting in the subject matter was more the youth culture. In Vietnam, hip-hop is relatively new&#8211;it’s really only exploded on the scene in the last few years—but for me, youth culture is important because you’ve got a really young population going through a sea of change in Vietnam, with everything become more global. A lot of the dancers were influenced or inspired by watching a lot of stuff on the internet, by American dance movies and watching battles of other dance crews on Youtube. That’s a part of the change in Vietnam, a lot of young people are on Facebook and the internet. We still keep in touch with the dancers over Facebook.</p>
<p>Saigon Electric <em>screens </em><em>tonight as part of the <a href="http://www.reelasian.com/">Toronto Reel Asian Film Festival</a>, 8:45 p.m. at The Royal. Director Stephane Gauger will be in attendance. An encore screening will be held at the Richmond Hill Centre for the Performing Arts on November 19 at 1:30 p.m.</em></p>
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