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		<title>Perpetuating lies to your children for the holidays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Santa has never given me a gift. Unlike many of my friends growing up, there was no magical component to my Christmas. There was no altruistic value to the Christmas spirit, no creepy omniscient Alpha-Elf who broke into my house with a sack of toys. We had a tree, yes. We had gifts, we had [...]]]></description>
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<p>Santa has never given me a gift.</p>
<p>Unlike many of my friends growing up, there was no magical component to my Christmas. There was no altruistic value to the Christmas spirit, no creepy omniscient Alpha-Elf who broke into my house with a sack of toys.</p>
<p>We had a tree, yes. We had gifts, we had family dinners. But being relatively new to the country, my parents had no idea about the mythology of Christmas. It was all they could do to collect the trappings of this crazy seasonal curiosity, so they would often just ask me what I wanted as a gift.</p>
<p>I distinctly remember one year going to Toy City (remember that store? anyone?) and literally picking my own gift out, then carrying it to the cashier so my dad could buy it. I still do regret picking Ultra Magnus instead of Metroplex, but I digress.</p>
<p>I don’t blame my parents for not lying to me. How were they to know that was what parents here did? Who would assume the truth &#8212; that the population of an entire continent could knowingly be partaking in a conspiratorial deception employed to manipulate the mass psyche of their very own offspring?</p>
<p>It was hard reconciling this knowledge as a child with friends who firmly believed in the Christmas narrative. After inciting more than a few riotous classroom debates (and angry, vitriolic accusations), I decided to stop spouting my contrary, snarky comments when classmates talked about Santa, and flying reindeer, and cookies and milk. It wasn’t worth the effort, and who was I to tell them their parents were lying liars?</p>
<p>To this day I know many people who have heart wrenching tales of when they realized Santa wasn’t real. Still, it’s hard to say what I’ll do when I have kids of my own. I like to think I was a grounded child. My friends prefer to call my lack of belief in magic &#8216;deprived&#8217;. The truth might be somewhere in between.</p>
<p>I have a friend who dressed up as Santa one year to amuse kids at a holiday potluck. He’s a Chinese dude and although it was all just fun and games, part of me couldn’t help shake the thought that one day these children are going to seriously wonder about whether or not Santa is Chinese, and reconcile who this non-Chinese Santa at the mall is, asking them to sit on their lap.</p>
<p>(as an aside, who vets these Santas? Why are people so willing to send their children into the lap of strangers just because they&#8217;re wearing red tights and a fake beard? THINK PEOPLE. THINK!)</p>
<p>These are the things you have to consider when you commit to a lie. Also, the fact that these kids are always going to be one step ahead of you and, eventually, you&#8217;re going to end up with an incredibly tangled web of false reality that will collapse upon itself, crushing your child.</p>
<p>So in the end one has to wonder, who is this lie for anyways? Is it for the kids or for the parents to vicariously recapture the magic that they themselves had crushed as children?</p>
<p>I missed out on a lot of things growing up immersed in Chinese culture. The vicious cycle of Christmas mythology though? Not really one of those things.</p>
<p>Signed,</p>
<p>Scrooge McYau</p>
<p><em>This post is part of the <a href="http://ethnicaisle.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Ethnic Aisle</a>, a blog about issues of race, ethnicity and culture in the GTA.</em></p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Regional Holiday Music&#8221; (S3E10)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Jef: Season&#8217;s greetings! Simon: Happy Holidays! I was kind of hoping they&#8217;d top last year. [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Season&#8217;s greetings!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Happy Holidays!<br />
I was kind of hoping they&#8217;d top last year.<br />
They did not.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Same here! Unreasonable, I guess.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, high expectations</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Last year&#8217;s Christmas episode was something special.<br />
It was something that I could actually see myself watching years from now and getting into the holiday spirits off of.<br />
(But that&#8217;s me.)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: screw you, Charlie Brown</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> This was just&#8230;a Christmas episode.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so, it&#8217;s nothing new, but Community really likes to make fun of Glee<br />
why Glee, do you think in particular?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> They do and I love them for it, but honestly I was always hoping they wouldn&#8217;t actually do a musical episode.<br />
Glee is horrible, first off.<br />
It&#8217;s manipulative and inconsistent with its characters, so in certain ways it&#8217;s the opposite of Community</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: was this a musical episode though?<br />
or was it a Glee parody episode in the way they do parody episodes?<br />
it&#8217;s easy to say that&#8217;s the same thing, but I&#8217;m not so sure they are</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I see what you mean<br />
Either of those things though I always felt would be lazy of Community to do<br />
I loved that &#8220;flashback&#8221; episode last year because it felt like the show was acknowledging all of these overly wacky, overly obvious plots that they could never sustain for a whole episode<br />
I was wrong, I guess, but also&#8230;the end result wasn&#8217;t that bad<br />
What did you think?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree it was a bit of a stretch to turn that joke into an entire episode<br />
I do think it&#8217;s pertinent that it&#8217;s Glee that&#8217;s the target of their jabs though<br />
it really is the antithesis of Community, you&#8217;re so right about that<br />
they went out of their way to cramp the formulaic nature of Glee&#8217;s plots<br />
and I think even how they went into commercial with Britta as the last survivor, then suddenly she&#8217;s brainwashed when we get back<br />
that kind of unexplained gap is absolutely Glee-like<br />
it worked in that regard, as a joke<br />
as an episode it was kind of fruitless though it seemed</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha, I never thought about Britta&#8217;s sudden turn<br />
I agree the episode was fruitless, but even worse, it felt LATE as fuck</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: RIGHT? I don&#8217;t watch Glee anymore<br />
but I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s jumped the shark<br />
although that realistically probably happened in episode 2<br />
but still</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha no but you&#8217;re right<br />
I&#8217;m sure its ratings are still doing fine and whatnot, but the phenomenon has passed</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the fact there is no Glee Holiday Album knocking down our radios can attest to that I think<br />
&#8230; is there?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I have no idea.<br />
But yeah, the best time to make fun of this stuff would have been before Glee itself became a joke.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: To be honest though, I kind of like musical episodes<br />
it&#8217;s a gimmick but I&#8217;m a sucker for theatre<br />
the songs here though<br />
they were all terribad<br />
just&#8230;<br />
ah</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Guh, right?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i mean I know they weren&#8217;t trying<br />
but if you&#8217;re gonna do it, just&#8230; do it</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I almost literally facepalmed when Troy went full Childish Gambino<br />
That&#8217;s another thing I think should have never happened on this show</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I was actually kind of shocked that happened<br />
like, they let him bring that out on the show<br />
also, TERRIBLE</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Really bad.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Pierce&#8217;s Baby Boomer Santa song was equally painful</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I think Pierce&#8217;s was the only song I laughed at though.<br />
When he said, &#8220;You&#8217;re welcome, you&#8217;re welcome, for everything, in the world!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I thought Annie&#8217;s ditty was actually pretty funny by the end of it because they acknowledged the absurdity</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Alison Brie can kill it with the physical comedy when she wants to, yes?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: there was this one episode of Mad Men where she does the Charleston,<br />
and it was amazing</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> haha yeah I&#8217;ve seen it, and it was grand.<br />
My understanding too is that Brie can actually hit a note, so I thought it was weird they let Gambino run free but they didn&#8217;t let her sing.<br />
I would have much preferred if they did that talent distribution the other way around.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: admittedly, I almost fell off my couch laughing<br />
when they walk into the study room and Pierce goes &#8220;who&#8217;s that guy?&#8221;<br />
and they have a Chuck Klosterman looking fucker at the piano</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;I&#8217;m not the only one who can see him, right?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i died<br />
i mean, just a little. but i really did.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I also liked the end of Annie&#8217;s song, &#8220;Boo bee boo pee do, boo. Sex.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: then her devolution into gibberish<br />
there was something about this that didn&#8217;t really scream Holidays to me though<br />
i mean, it seemed more like they were pointing out that their show&#8217;s characters have emotional depth and Glee&#8217;s don&#8217;t<br />
and just used the holidays to hang their hat on that, but it didn&#8217;t really ring true for me</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I totally feel you on that<br />
I kept thinking this episode would redeem its concept by tying things together at the end.<br />
I loved how last year&#8217;s Christmas episode wound down with the meaning of Christmas being LOST and all that<br />
It was able to reach a very sincere place while also being this pop culture clusterfuck (aka Community at its best)<br />
But this week&#8217;s fell short on both ends, I think</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree. And whereas the characters were plumbed last year by revealing how they interacted with each other, and their personal feelings about the holidays, and background stories<br />
this year they basically just said &#8220;look, they care about each other&#8221;<br />
&#8220;the end&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> At LEAST give us a genuinely touching moment at the end.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right. it was all tell, no show.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Abed&#8217;s line about &#8220;Maybe Jeff&#8217;s right, maybe forcing things to be bright just makes the darkness underneath even darker,&#8221; wasn&#8217;t enough.<br />
And like we said, the songs weren&#8217;t good enough either.<br />
We saw a way better musical mash-up with Kiss From A Rose in the episode where Annie moves in with Troy and Abed. Having that comparison made the songs here extra lackluster.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the final thing being Glee is incredibly easy to make fun of<br />
i mean, the average Funny or Die skit could parody that show with equal aplomb</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a million of those clips already out there&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i guess i am sad about the lack of ambition for an episode i was highly anticipating</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It seems like they used it just to &#8220;end the semester&#8221; on a happy note<br />
As Abed and Jeff point out a couple of times<br />
Jeff: &#8220;I basically killed a guy this year.&#8221;<br />
Like, well, people are complaining we&#8217;re too dark.<br />
Let&#8217;s throw them a bone and then get on with the show.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you think? I don&#8217;t actually hear people complain they&#8217;re too dark<br />
then again, i don&#8217;t listen to people talk about Community except for&#8230; us</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha<br />
Complaint was probably the wrong word<br />
Concern? I know we&#8217;ve talked about it before, that the characters especially were becoming a bit nasty this year</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s true, we have touched on them being &#8220;not nice people&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> So is this the response though?<br />
&#8220;You want nice? Here. Watch GLEE.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;See how horrible it is?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: well, they were responsible for the Glee club being dismantled in the first place<br />
that wasn&#8217;t very nice<br />
i suppose there&#8217;s some poetic justice in that sense</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol<br />
Yeah I loved that turn where we find out the teacher killed everyone in the bus crash, making everything some kind of in-the-background Veronica Mars mass murder plot.<br />
(I am now revealing that I really love Veronica Mars.)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that show is the best</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> IS THIS WHERE WE JUST TALK ABOUT VERONICA MARS?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it died too soon<br />
that&#8217;s all i have to say about it</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah. Great show.<br />
I would have preferred if this were just a Veronica Mars parody episode.<br />
Or at least if it morphed into that.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230; that&#8217;s an amazing idea<br />
dude, tengentially<br />
have you ever watched that Star Wars Christmas special?<br />
the one that was banned because it was so horrible?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I tried once with some high school friends.<br />
IT&#8217;S ACTUALLY THAT BAD THOUGH.<br />
It&#8217;s unwatchable.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: IT REALLY IS<br />
SO, SO BAD<br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=323909610753051544">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=323909610753051544</a></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And EVERYONE is in it.<br />
HARRISON FORD IS IN IT.<br />
Which makes it harder to watch.<br />
Lol I closed that window really quickly.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Speaking of horrible Christmas specials<br />
Did you like Britta&#8217;s bit at the end?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I was going to bring this up but I thought one good thing about this episode was how much Britta we got<br />
yes, I thought it was great<br />
particularly knowing that &#8220;me so [blank]&#8221; is apparently a Britta catchphrase now</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It is!<br />
One of the reasons I love Britta is that she makes everyone else funnier as well.<br />
Characters get to react to her and say stuff like, &#8220;Oh. Britta&#8217;s in this?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: she&#8217;s a good foil because she doesn&#8217;t really have a set way of acting<br />
sometimes she&#8217;s ridiculous, sometimes she self-righteous, sometimes she&#8217;s actually wise<br />
there&#8217;s more flexibility with her character than say, Troy<br />
knowing this is the last ep for a while<br />
how do you feel about it as a send off?<br />
what if this is the last episode ever?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Well, it won&#8217;t be.<br />
Right?<br />
RIGHT?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I DON&#8217;T KNOW<br />
*<strong>pours a shot*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m pretty sure they&#8217;ll finish the season like they’ve said.<br />
But I&#8217;ve been known to lie to myself to make myself feel better, because that&#8217;s what handsome people do.<br />
IF it&#8217;s the last episode, well, at least we ended on a nice Christmas-card-ish shot of all of them together at the end.<br />
With enough hints of what we might miss out on, with Annie and Abed sharing a moment, and Troy and Britta sitting together.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I totally didn&#8217;t pick up on that!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Might be reading into it, but yup, those were the seating arrangements<br />
With the adults all in the background.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: duh doy!<br />
I am continually impressed though with the show&#8217;s commitment to in-jokes<br />
i mean, this whole episode, for starters<br />
but things like Abed&#8217;s buttered noodles</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Abed&#8217;s buttered noodles are amazing<br />
I even just like saying it! Buttered noodles.<br />
Was there anything in this episode that you could see them building off of?<br />
Or was it entirely a self-contained, maybe throwaway ep?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, more boobie jokes</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha<br />
Boobie jokes, fart jokes<br />
It&#8217;s been a classy season</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I do think the Troy and Britta thing will coalesce by the end of this season<br />
there was the sitting you just mentioned<br />
but even Troy sticking up for her<br />
&#8220;you don&#8217;t get to call Britta the worst!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> There you go! Totally didn&#8217;t pick up on that but you&#8217;re right.<br />
And more and more Jeff and Annie&#8217;s thing seems to be based on forbidden lust and not much more.<br />
Whereas Annie and Abed make genuine googly eyes at each other every once in awhile.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Do people make genuine goggly eyes in real life?<br />
is that a real thing?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Well, Alison Brie and Danny Pudi do I guess.<br />
They have rather large eyes.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: goggly ones, even<br />
uh<br />
googly</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Goggly eyes would be frightening!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but safe!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> lolol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: chang chang chang chaaaaaang</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> OH YEAH<br />
that was my favourite part, the end number with the side characters.<br />
Again, I feel it lacked in ambition (I thought it was going to go NUTS but didn&#8217;t)<br />
But I still liked and will watch it again</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it felt more genuine than the actual episode to me<br />
like, the show honestly wants us to have a happy holidays guys!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;My name is Alex&#8230;My name is Alex&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: lol<br />
he&#8217;s been totally AWOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, right?<br />
I mean I get that he&#8217;s pretty one-note<br />
But he&#8217;s Starburns! Everything needs more Starburns</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: pop-pop to that</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong>  anything else you wanna get into?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: naw, i think we got everything?<br />
you?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Boo boop be doop.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: sex</p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Foosball and Nocturnal Vigilantism&#8221; (S3E9)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Community_foosball.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-8481" title="Community_foosball" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Community_foosball.jpg" alt="Community_foosball" width="450" height="253" /></a>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hey yo</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yo<br />
game on</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> So&#8230;<br />
That episode was pretty eh</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: we finally got that Shirley ep<br />
it was not what I expected</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I feel bad for the Shirley character.<br />
If this is the best they have for her &#8212; the throwaway &#8220;normal&#8221; episode after the super quirky one &#8212; I think it&#8217;s clear they don&#8217;t know what to do with her anymore.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the episode from last season<br />
Troy&#8217;s birthday<br />
was a much better way to paint her character as three dimensional<br />
this was like a caricature of that episode almost</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah Mixology did the exact same thing but so much better</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: although, and maybe I&#8217;m being paranoid<br />
I do feel this episode had high general appeal<br />
casual viewers got a lot of &#8220;Community type comedy&#8221; this week</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I get the need for these episodes every once in awhile<br />
Especially as breathing room after the run of bizarre episodes we&#8217;ve had<br />
It just concerns me it&#8217;s the first Shirley story we&#8217;ve had, as if they tried to kill two birds with one stone.<br />
Everything felt very obligatory.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i was almost certain we&#8217;d catch up with her baby and Chang relationship<br />
alas</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Instead we get this retcon with Jeff<br />
Which I don&#8217;t think felt natural at all<br />
Did you like that storyline?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I liked it from a purely sitcom perspective<br />
i mean, it was silly and fun<br />
and the random anime was pretty golden<br />
the idea that it impacts the greater narrative of their characters at all seems out of place<br />
although I guess now we know they&#8217;ve known each other a long time<br />
asides from that their bff thing was pretty lost on me</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah that ending of them walking away arm-on-arm fell pretty flat for me<br />
The anime was as fun as it should have been I guess&#8230;on the bright side the episode gave Shirley fun things to say<br />
Like, &#8220;foosball is a vile game for vile people&#8221;<br />
Also, I like the callback to Jeff and Shirley making fun of Britta&#8217;s season 1 boyfriend<br />
&#8230;what was his name again?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230; i dont&#8217; know, but wasn&#8217;t it the dude from Robin Hood Men in Tights?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> VAUGHN</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;Britta&#8230; she&#8217;s a great big B&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> “Getting rid of Britt-aah”<br />
lol no way not Cary Elwes<br />
is that who you&#8217;re thinking?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: YES<br />
ok no it wasn&#8217;t him hahaha<br />
they look similar</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Same daffy blonde guy stare, yeah<br />
Did you like the B story with the Abed&#8217;s Dark Knight disc?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I enjoyed Troy and Annie&#8217;s conversations<br />
Basically Troy is the best</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The Troy and Annie scene was my favourite part<br />
Was that even the B story?<br />
Which one was the B story???</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think it was the B story haha<br />
I assume anything discussed before the song is the A story</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> haha good rule</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the idea that Troy is mildly afraid of Abed makes me giggle<br />
also, Alison Brie does a pretty good Christian Bale</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I love that she tried doing the voice twice<br />
It was nice getting to see them just being roommates<br />
The stakes of the B story were just high enough. It was all fluff pretty much but still a nice slice of the stupid adventures they must get into all the time.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;I thought you moving in was supposed to tone us down!&#8221;<br />
followed fittingly with &#8220;WHO ARE YOU??&#8221;<br />
I want to be their fourth roommate</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;Women&#8217;s shoes? Rick doesn&#8217;t have a wife&#8230;OR WOMEN&#8217;S FEET.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: lots of classic Troy<br />
sadly little Britta</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah!<br />
This episode was light on guest appearances<br />
But also light on main cast appearances in general<br />
Barely any Britta or Pierce<br />
No Chang or Dean<br />
I am going to take this to mean Britta is the center of the Christmas episode<br />
or at least I hope</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: We can hope, she has at least 5 Totorolla phones to get her through the holiday season</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL Totorolla<br />
This episode was too light, there&#8217;s nothing to talk about!<br />
From Abed&#8217;s Batman character to Shirley&#8217;s &#8220;I have a dark past (that&#8217;s not really that dark)&#8221; thing, it was all a bunch of old jokes that they took out for another stroll<br />
Even the foosball gimmick felt like Jeff&#8217;s pool obsession from season one</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I always though Shirley was more than just a few years older than Jeff</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha but she keeps telling us<br />
that she&#8217;s basically the same age as Jeff</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: STILL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL<br />
She&#8217;ll make your ass sense.<br />
so&#8230;should we call it an early night?<br />
I am laughing, btw</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I DON&#8217;T KNOW WHAT TO TALK ABOUT</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol<br />
I think my favourite part of the episode was Leonard’s youtube video at the end</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I like how spot on it was</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> 5 stars!<br />
A buy!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I also feel slightly offended on behalf of German exchange students everywhere</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Horrible, horrible German accents<br />
aka the best German accents!<br />
I just hit pause on the giant screen of text that Leornard has up at the end of his youtube vid<br />
I am assuming this is a dig at Chuck Lorre?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I watched it live<br />
what does it say?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s a huge rant on paying late fees for movie rentals<br />
It includes a reference to &#8220;Dan In Real Life&#8221; and the phrase &#8220;duh doy&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s basically awesome.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: What does that have to do with Chuck Lorre?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> His shows end with a big wall of text<br />
Random rants and stuff<br />
You know, it&#8217;s his &#8220;thing&#8221;<br />
ANYWAYS.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I have literally never watched an entire episode of any of his shows, haha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That&#8217;s a good thing!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think so!<br />
I think we&#8217;re tapping out.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, there&#8217;s nothing to see here.<br />
A pretty basic episode.<br />
Had some laughs as usual but ultimately it&#8217;s one for the shoe safe.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you&#8217;re very good with faces<br />
I&#8217;m off to eat some butter noodles</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Alright<br />
Next week, Christmas episode!<br />
Yeah?<br />
Yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: HOPEFULLY</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> FIN.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that was sad hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> not our fault!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it&#8217;s true!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> what are butter noodles?<br />
are they noodles made of butter?<br />
am i being very stupid right now about butter noodles?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i think they&#8217;re noodles with butter, hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> that would make more sense</p>
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		<title>Reeling: &#8220;Take This Waltz&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Take This Waltz” is a beautiful film. Channelling the smouldering (and stalkerish) sexuality of Wong Kar-Wai’s “In The Mood For Love” while also slightly cramping its vibrant visual style, director Sarah Polley is in her element when contextualizing life &#8212; long sighs, lingering glances and carnal tension spill off the screen with prodigious visual ease. [...]]]></description>
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<p>“Take This Waltz” is a beautiful film. Channelling the smouldering (and stalkerish) sexuality of Wong Kar-Wai’s “In The Mood For Love” while also slightly cramping its vibrant visual style, director Sarah Polley is in her element when contextualizing life &#8212; long sighs, lingering glances and carnal tension spill off the screen with prodigious visual ease.</p>
<p>Michelle Williams slides seamlessly into the role of Margot, a 28 year-old aspiring writer and young wife, adrift in the kind of ennui those life decisions predictably entail. Williams’ performance is sublime as she turns in her best Holden Caulfield-in-a-long-term-relationship impression.</p>
<p>Seth Rogen plays Margot’s doting, teddy bear of a husband Lou, who despite his evident goofiness manages to elicit sympathetic good-guy vibes in potentially ominous ways. The final piece of <em>Waltz’s</em> love triangle is Daniel, played by relative newcomer Luke Kirby. Daniel is Margot’s neighbour and the manifestation of her physical and emotional desire, after an initial meeting that straddles the grey area between cutely serendipitous and cloyingly ridiculous.</p>
<p>Toronto serves as the gorgeous, bokeh backdrop for Polley’s bittersweet sophomore effort. Not to be understated, the Earl Haig Secondary School alumnus (<em>shoutout class of 2001!</em>) makes her hometown look better than perhaps any other film in memory. Toronto’s local haunts and iconic neighbourhoods are supersaturated in summer palates; Polley’s penchant for focusing on minutiae transforms recognizable streets into an atmospheric haze that parallels Margot’s myopic internal conflict.</p>
<p>It’s worth tangentially noting that at some point in the film, I stopped consciously observing that the movie was purposely set and unfolding in Toronto. Considering an early reference to “Dufferin and Queen” generated cheering from my audience, it seems pertinent that Sarah Polley might be the first director to ever make Toronto gracefully inconspicuous on screen. But I digress.</p>
<p>Polley’s attempts to portray life’s vagaries are often hampered by her own ambition; delicate visuals are often juxtaposed with overwrought dialogue. Moreover, excess words do extra disservice by being slightly too on-point for the films artful ambiguity. Polley is definitely more concise speaking with a camera instead of a pen.</p>
<p>Still, sometimes it works. In one particular scene shot in the Lakeview Diner, Daniel verbally ravishes Margot with a raw intimacy that may forever redefine the art of sexting. The monologue is in some ways absurd, but also easily the most legitimately erotic moment in the movie.</p>
<p>The film clocks in at an ambitious two hours long. Tightening it down by 20 minutes might have resulted in an instant classic, but it’s hard to nitpick because, much like real life, Polley’s story is not easily defined.</p>
<p>If I had to oversimplify, “Take This Waltz” might be a sexually charged, romantic-dramedy, coming-of-age-tale. Mostly however, it’s just a gorgeous and artful exploration of modern life.</p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Documentary Filmmaking: Redux&#8221; (S3E8)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Jef: Man. Simon: that was an amazing episode naturally to make us sadder Jef: It [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Man.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that was an amazing episode<br />
naturally<br />
to make us sadder</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It almost upset me how good this episode was.<br />
haha yeah<br />
I really do fear that we are recapping the final season of Community here.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: don&#8217;t SAY THAT<br />
“six seasons and a movie!” remember??</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> “My clique should be canceled<br />
Freaks and Geeks”<br />
Sigh<br />
Alright<br />
So in this episode the Dean has to film a new enrolment commercial for Greendale<br />
I kind of liked that the whole episode was a countdown to a Luis Guzman cameo<br />
You&#8217;re waiting for fucking Luis Guzman to come make things right again.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230; and he does</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so many shows would use an obscure reference like that without following through</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Or use him to up the weirdness levels<br />
instead of returning things to normalcy</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: this was a Simpsons level cameo<br />
<strong><br />
</strong><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, totally</p>
<p><strong>Simon:</strong> did you go to Humber because of an ad?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL<br />
I&#8217;m not even quite sure how I ended up there.</p>
<p><strong>Simon:</strong> I don&#8217;t know if they had ads back then?<br />
they have posters on the TTC these days</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I&#8217;ve seen the ads playing in Yonge and Dundas square<br />
The &#8220;journalism student&#8221; wears such funky hats.</p>
<p><strong>Simon:</strong> &#8230; we kind of do though</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Totally accurate!<br />
Speaking of wardrobes<br />
Annie was extra hot this week</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: why?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> These are the intelligent thoughts I have to contribute this week!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I have literally no complaints<br />
I just want to list all the amazing things about this episode</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Let&#8217;s do it</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: chronologically<br />
because it&#8217;s a recap? I don&#8217;t know<br />
Jeff does a really mean Dean Pelton</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Holy crap he was amazing<br />
&#8220;This is my sister&#8217;s outfit!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: he even got the mannerisms down!<br />
I also really enjoyed that the Dean&#8217;s office had his dalmatian posters up</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, all that stuff we complained about last week re: Dean just turning into a gay caricature&#8230;<br />
Totally solved this week.<br />
This is exactly the kind of stuff I&#8217;ve been wanting them to do.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, he was pretty incredible<br />
for some reason this show really lends itself to the fake documentary format</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s so cinematic already</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: all the meta comments about Hearts of Darkness were just icing</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha man, the Dean&#8217;s breakdown scene</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: YES hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> where he&#8217;s rubbing ash over his face and naked body<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m horrible&#8230;.I&#8217;m horrible.&#8221;<br />
I couldn&#8217;t even handle how hilarious and genuinely beautiful that was</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: what DID he do to the ice cream machine??</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong>   Haha<br />
I am guessing he made love to it.<br />
The pan-sexual imp is back!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that sounds painful.<br />
what did you think of Pierce&#8217;s role?<br />
he was kind of like a running gag but I&#8217;m not sure why they chose that route for him</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> yeah, I don&#8217;t mind when they segregate Chevy usually, because normally it just gives him room to show his physical comedy chops<br />
but here I think he definitely would have been better used actually being IN the documentary</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right? I mean I get that he&#8217;s a crazy old dude<br />
but he really did seem a bit squandered</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> He would have been hilarious on set<br />
And he was already separated last week</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: good point.<br />
the amount of details in this episode<br />
was incredible</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, the details! The details.<br />
Britta&#8217;s title card: &#8220;Britta Perry: anarchist cat owner”</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so accurate!<br />
the scene of her and Troy doing the 12 hour take was comedy gold</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha holy shit</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i pretty much died<br />
when Troy yelled &#8220;stop saying I&#8217;m different!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> When they tied ropes around them and were pulling their arms<br />
And Dean was all &#8220;You can&#8217;t even do it when we&#8217;re helping you!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think part of the reason this episode was so great<br />
was it really allows us to define the best parts of each character</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It was another sweet episode</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it was essentially a way to individually spotlight each cast member<br />
each interview reinforced what we enjoy about them<br />
Annie&#8217;s keenerism turning into stockholm syndrome<br />
Britta psycho analyzing<br />
Troy being Troy<br />
Jeff was a pleasant surprise again though<br />
he&#8217;s been a bit out of characters two weeks in a row now<br />
in an awesome way though<br />
&#8220;I made bald friends!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Jeff&#8217;s been <em>trying</em> lately<br />
Which is really different for him but feels organic<br />
I like it a lot</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: their ability to transform him from normal Jeff to Jeff-sucked-into-crazy-director-Dean&#8217;s-vision-and-desperate-for-screen-time was pretty unbelievable<br />
they did it in like 7 minutes with 4 shots</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah, I did make a note of the fact that the tone totally changes<br />
after the first commercial break.<br />
It all goes to hell really fast lol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Pelton&#8217;s costumes were amazing<br />
I feel like they&#8217;re making fun of a director<br />
but I couldn&#8217;t pin down who</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It would be great if it were Dan Harmon</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: he wears hoodies with no shirt underneath?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I have no idea</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: WHO DOES THAT</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I was a little dismayed that as his stubble grew and his clothes got grimier&#8230;<br />
&#8230;he started to look more and more like me.<br />
I think it&#8217;s time for a new look.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think you&#8217;re ahead of the trends</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> wait for it<br />
&#8230;<br />
STREETS AHEAD.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: you deserve a trailer for that</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And I&#8217;m not coming out!<br />
How do you feel about this Troy/Britta deal?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I like that even the Dean knows Troy is into her</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah<br />
I love love love the awkwardness of it<br />
because they are both really good at doing awkward</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i totally thought they were going to start making out<br />
as the punchline to that scene</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah<br />
And I&#8217;m glad they didn&#8217;t though</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, Harmon wins again<br />
them being scared at the sight of each other is infinitely more hilarious</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, trauma!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i don&#8217;t think they should get together though<br />
that seems kind of absurd to me?<br />
i feel like their age difference is the same as Jeff and Annie&#8217;s?<br />
which for some reason is always a huge deal</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s weird because it&#8217;s definitely not as big of an age gap<br />
But it feels like it is because Troy is like&#8230;.12 at heart<br />
Britta had my favourite line of the episode<br />
(Which I guess goes without saying now)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: *<strong>nodding*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;As a licensed psychology major I am declaring this a violation of human rights!&#8221;<br />
Which makes no sense three different ways, lol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i peed myself<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m taking psych 101 and I don&#8217;t even know what&#8217;s happening to me&#8221; was a close second</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah.<br />
And for subtlety, she also had<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t know why, but <em>this </em>is the last straw!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I really enjoyed when the Dean demanded reality<br />
then subbed in a blonde wig wearing Chang</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Chang was so good here too!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: him pacing behind Jeff?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> He was really restrained and still killing it<br />
Haha yeah<br />
And when he was explaining the wig under the bald cap<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m literally dying.&#8221;<br />
Even Leonard was great this episode!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It was full of win for everyone</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i wondered what happened to him<br />
I am kind of shocked we didn&#8217;t see starburns<br />
but watching the fat kid in a motion capture suit more than made up for it<br />
&#8220;that&#8217;s a toilet!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I will never remember that kid&#8217;s name<br />
And that&#8217;s ok with me</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: word</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It seems appropriate.<br />
Is this is the first episode to be that kind to Greendale as a school?<br />
Luis Guzman&#8217;s line at the end to the Dean, &#8220;Worship the people who are here right now. This is a special school. You don&#8217;t deserve to be here.&#8221; That was&#8230;.sweet.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I thought that was a really interesting angle<br />
because it REALLY captures community college as an experience</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Totally</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Luis Guzman is wrong<br />
colleges are not special schools<br />
they, in general, are kind of awful hahahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha<br />
Hey now!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but that awfulness ABSOLUTELY fosters bonding<br />
the type that doesn&#8217;t happen in university.<br />
we can totally attest to that I think</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That&#8217;s been my experience for sure yeah, having attended both as well.<br />
Jeff has that line at the end when he&#8217;s forgiving the Dean for his breakdown<br />
where he says he forgives him &#8220;because we&#8217;ve all been there; which is why we&#8217;re all here.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: perfect Community ending</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s a diss to the school in a way but goes back to painting it as a place for second chances</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: appropriately sappy</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Which was really <em>nice</em></p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea<br />
I mean, that&#8217;s the whole crux of the episode right?<br />
the insanity of making a commercial<br />
when in the end Abed reuses the final scene of the dancing dude<br />
because come on<br />
nobody picks a community college based on the ads hahaha<br />
people go because they have to go</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, you go because you need to for whatever life reasons.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but they meet special people there<br />
which the episode portrayed astoundingly accurately</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And the Dean was a great choice to focus the episode on<br />
He runs the college but doesn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; college</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: because he went to university</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong>  This is all very obvious stuff I&#8217;m saying<br />
But it was just really nice</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha are we saying this stuff just because we went to college?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i think so yes hahaha<br />
i do think there&#8217;s a certain level of<br />
&#8230;. recognition?<br />
that you might not appreciate unless you&#8217;ve been to a community college when watching this show</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, the understanding is there.<br />
Of the community college experience and of these characters and why they’re there.<br />
lol ok<br />
Tangent<br />
But how amazing were the noises coming from the Dean&#8217;s edit of the documentary?<br />
<strong>*gunshots*</strong><br />
<strong>*porn moans*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i particularly liked how sudden the cuts were</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah<br />
And Guzman&#8217;s reactions to watching it were amazing</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I liked that he was editing it on his totally normal laptop</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, nothing crazy there</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: after all that insanity<br />
still using Microsoft movie maker</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> You know, the other great thing about how the show used Guzman is in just that he was playing himself.<br />
So Greendale really is a place that you can graduate from and make something of yourself from.<br />
Again, sweet episode.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, I loved that aspect of it<br />
the shot of him looking at his statue was priceless</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahahaha yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: or saying<br />
&#8220;helllooooo, it&#8217;s meeeee. Luis Guzman&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL yeah<br />
And stepping out his car with a big shit-eating Jack Nicholson grin</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: ok, so finally, my favourite part of the episode<br />
the final scene in the study room<br />
where Abed is filiming<br />
but also in random shots<br />
while the show&#8217;s real camera guy<br />
sporadically appears and disappears<br />
I was like<br />
WHAT THE FUCK<br />
SO AMAZING</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh the meta was done so well this week!<br />
I agree</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it was so subtle!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And Abed&#8217;s speech about how telling sad stories can make them happy, simply for the fact that they’re being told<br />
Like, wow<br />
I just said &#8220;like, wow&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: twice!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> THAT&#8217;S HOW GOOD IT WAS</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: his little glance at the camera as he walks away</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Seriously though, episodes like this make the news of the mid-season pull really hard to take<br />
Because I NEED to see these people graduate now.<br />
I know they&#8217;re going to tell the fuck out of that story.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: do you think they played this episode out of order just to go out into the hiatus with a bang?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I don&#8217;t know but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised.<br />
This isn’t the last one before the break, is it?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;m not sure to be honest<br />
i wasn&#8217;t even sure there would be an episode this week</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I refuse to believe that we&#8217;re not getting a Christmas episode.<br />
That can&#8217;t be real life.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I don&#8217;t understand why anybody would NOT watch this show<br />
how it could have poor ratings is literally unfathomable to me</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I saw some off-hand comments on Facebook that the show had jumped the shark this season anyway.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: who said that? punch that person in the face.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT JUMPING THE SHARK MEANS.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: they did a whole episode about that!<br />
that&#8217;s how streets ahead they are!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha<br />
&#8220;Just so you know, there was an episode of Happy Days where they literally jumped over a shark. And it was THE BEST ONE.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: exactly<br />
there&#8217;s a lot of Community left to go<br />
I honestly don&#8217;t know if it has 6 seasons in it<br />
maybe one or two more at most<br />
but it definitely needs one or two more</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, at this point honestly all I&#8217;m asking is for four seasons.<br />
I want them to graduate.<br />
I can live comfortably with just that.<br />
They&#8217;re building up to that story so confidently and brilliantly</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i do think one more, and then it can go out still riding high<br />
beyond a fourth season i legitimately can see it jumping the shark</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Definitely, me too.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it&#8217;d still be good<br />
but not the best</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah I&#8217;d still watch.<br />
But that&#8217;s what makes this possible cancellation even more frustrating<br />
If we end up reaching three years, and we know they only needed one more to score this television home run<br />
&#8230;.<br />
I&#8217;ll be no fun to be around for awhile</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i&#8217;m trying to figure out what fans will mail to NBC in a show of support</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8230;possums?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: dalmations?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I like that we pick the most threatening things.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Seal cds</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> YES</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;d be pretty amazing actually</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Let&#8217;s start this movement</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: dude, if someone MAILED me a possum, I would be terrified</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> haha yeah<br />
Don&#8217;t do that, people.<br />
Just send them some kisses from some roses.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i&#8217;m sad</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha<br />
I&#8217;ve got no words of comfort for you<br />
I think this might be it, to be honest</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: stiff upper lip<br />
there&#8217;s more episodes<br />
it&#8217;s not the END end</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I know they were already thinking of axing it before<br />
So they might have run out of goodwill by now</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea<br />
i suspect the fan outrage might be pretty significant<br />
i feel like it&#8217;s just one of those shows everybody watches via download or Hulu</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> We&#8217;re a passionate fandom<br />
But are we really that large?<br />
I don&#8217;t know</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it&#8217;s true<br />
nobody I know really watches it<br />
except my girlfriend, because i made her</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah same, and I have two friends who are really into it<br />
Everyone else says shit like &#8220;I don&#8217;t get it&#8221; or &#8220;IT JUMPED THE SHARK&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i don&#8217;t get that though<br />
it&#8217;s so accessible<br />
i don&#8217;t get how people don&#8217;t immediately find it hilarious</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s hard to get into at all<br />
My girlfriend doesn&#8217;t even catch half of the reference but still laughs her ass of anyway<br />
On the pure comical level it still works<br />
Just like the Simpsons did</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yes, and it just gets better the more you understand</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And the characters are real<br />
Treated with respect and fleshed out</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: sigh</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong>  Hahahaha<br />
look at us ranting on the internet about television at 12:30 in the morning</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: we lead difficult lives</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Fight the power, people. Fight it with your hugs!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: who are you talking to?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Uh&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: nice try there</p>
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<p><em><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/COMMUNITY-Studies-in-Modern-Movement-Season-3-Episode-7-6-550x365.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-8442" title="COMMUNITY-Studies-in-Modern-Movement-Season-3-Episode-7-6-550x365" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/COMMUNITY-Studies-in-Modern-Movement-Season-3-Episode-7-6-550x365.jpg" alt="" width="445" height="295" /></a>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
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<p><strong>jef</strong>: Annie moved in.</p>
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<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yo, we&#8217;re totally calling these episodes<br />
even I&#8217;m impressed with us!</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I know right?<br />
We&#8217;re amazingly smart and handsome.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: not necessarily in that order</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Not even necessarily those traits.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: did you find the episode as amusing as the premise?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Well, when you phrase it like that&#8230;.no.<br />
And I&#8217;m surprised I&#8217;m saying that, haha.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: interesting. ELABORATE.</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: It was highly amusing but I do feel that they had to exaggerate the man-childness of Troy and Abed in<br />
order to make the premise, Annie&#8217;s move being torture at first, work.<br />
And I dunno, I buy that these guys are stupid in a fun way.<br />
But like, not actually that stupid.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: this was a zany episode for sure<br />
jef: That said though, I didn&#8217;t really have these feelings until you asked that question.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i asked because i felt the same way<br />
in my head the premise was a great foil for hanging out in their world<br />
but they seemed to almost turn troy and abed on their own cliches?<br />
not sure if it was intentional<br />
that extra room being some mystery play room was totally predictable I think</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Definitely.<br />
It was a nice touch having it look like the Holodeck though!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that it was decorated to look like a holodeck was pretty amazing<br />
yes!!<br />
I wanted them ask for tea, earl grey, hot</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Hahaha.<br />
Yeah, I was waiting for a Q joke.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: so here&#8217;s a less funny convo<br />
we discussed during advanced gay<br />
how the gay jokes came off kind of immature and lazy<br />
not sure if you saw but Sady Doyle went nuts over that shit<br />
calling it offensive and stuff</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: No, haven&#8217;t seen that yet.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: what are your thoughts on how they&#8217;re playing up Dean Pelton this season?<br />
are they turning sexuality into too big a punchline?<br />
like haha, let&#8217;s laugh at the creepy queer?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Well, I think I mentioned it in another interrobang that I preferred how they used him in Season 1, where<br />
he was just so off-the-wall sexually that he didn&#8217;t really fit into any categories.<br />
Hence the pan-sexual imp line we heard I think in the season opener.<br />
But more and more the joke just seems to be that he&#8217;s just, you know, a gay guy.<br />
Which yeah, isn&#8217;t really as funny as him being attracted to dalmatians.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure why they&#8217;ve gone that angle but they have, and even if you don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s offensive per se,<br />
it&#8217;s less funny.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think it&#8217;s just overkill?<br />
like, it&#8217;s funny when they drop those jokes subtly<br />
&#8220;hello Smithers, how are you&#8221; type details<br />
but he&#8217;s not doing jokes anymore<br />
it seems like him being gay IS the joke?<br />
which comes across strange</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, that&#8217;s it exactly.<br />
And in this episode, he downright becomes a menace, black mailing Jeff and it&#8217;s gone from inappropriate<br />
vague remarks to just outright sexual harassment.<br />
The Seal singalong was hilarious, but really, what the fuck was that?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right, and the ordering for him and stuff</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: And reading his emails.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s going to get picked up later on I assume, haha</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I assume it&#8217;s a building storyline, what with Pelton on the cast on all I assume he has an arc being built,<br />
but yeah I&#8217;m not digging what they&#8217;re doing with him as much as I initially thought I would when I first<br />
heard they&#8217;d be using him more this season.<br />
I thought the idea would be to make him more of a character, not more of a caricature.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: true say<br />
in typical Community fashion however<br />
i laughed through the whole ep</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I did too, just not at Troy and Abed, which felt weird yo.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i laughed at the candy cigarettes</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Oh yeah, &#8220;I picked the wrong week to quit.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: my girlfriend bought me candy cigarettes for my birthday</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: She&#8217;s a keeper!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but not a case</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Wait, no.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Get rid of her.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I had no idea what Pierce was doing this ep<br />
but the shirley and jeff stories were both pretty solid I thought<br />
particularly the Shirley one, because she&#8217;s been building up to this &#8220;confrontation&#8221; of sorts with Britta for a<br />
while</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Do you think that was the end of that?<br />
Their little moment truce moment when they kick the Jesus psycho (aka Jesus) out of the car?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i don&#8217;t think they change<br />
but I do think they understand each other a little bit more</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: If that was the culmination of that story though, I have zero idea what they&#8217;re doing with Shirley this<br />
season then.<br />
I thought they were leading to a falling out over her preachiness, but without that she&#8217;s really been doing<br />
nothing this season.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: baking!</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: And killing the five lines she has every episode.</p>
<p>Simon: brit-ta!<br />
I agree though, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the end of it<br />
I feel like they&#8217;re setting things up with this story in a greater arc<br />
maybe providing a sympathetic side?<br />
although I don&#8217;t know how this made her seem more sympathetic haha</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Haha yeah, not at all really.<br />
But Jeff seems to be getting a sympathetic side lately.<br />
Is this the first we&#8217;ve heard that he&#8217;s in therapy?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I believe so yes<br />
and he wanted to be alone this weekend?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Plus, the crying at the end!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Plus not sleeping with a girl who&#8217;s throwing herself at him<br />
also, momentarily enjoying Asian style karaoke music video making<br />
seemingly an unguarded moment?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, that was such a weird place for a genuine moment like that!<br />
It makes me realize though that we really don&#8217;t know Jeff at all away from Greendale.<br />
We saw him with his lawyer buddies but of course he&#8217;s fake as hell with them.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230; do you think it&#8217;s possible that Jeff is gay?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Whoa.<br />
That could be a interesting way to balance things out.<br />
(Jef is thinking.)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: how to explain the Annie googly eyes though&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: But yeah, I&#8217;m sure his issues have more to do with his father.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: if his father is Seal I&#8217;m going to eat my shoes<br />
then die laughing</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: God, kiss from a rose is so awesome, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it really is</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: There was no point in me saying that, but I felt it needed to be said.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that was the only good part of Batman Forever</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: That soundtrack was just insane.<br />
That U2 track?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: the video for hold me thrill me was mad trippy</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, what was going on with that Batman movie I don&#8217;t even.<br />
Sorry so off track lol</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: DIGRESSION</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: PIERCE!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i didn&#8217;t understand any of it</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I know he was mad aimless this week but I kind of liked it.<br />
It did give Chevy a chance to show off some stuff.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: plus it showed he still wants to take care of Annie</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: While everyone else was segregated and bouncing off each other he was putting on a one man show<br />
Yeah dude, him working on Annie&#8217;s floor all by himself without complaining was maybe one of the<br />
sweetest moments of the show for me.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i mean, he&#8217;s a screw up<br />
but he obviously genuinely cares<br />
which is saying a lot for him</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: And unlike that time he gave her rent money, this time he didn&#8217;t have any ulterior motive and wasn&#8217;t just<br />
being needy for affection.<br />
He was really just doing her a favour.<br />
Or&#8230;trying to .</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: maybe he really will be slightly different now that his dad is dead<br />
this show has too many layers<br />
it&#8217;s like an onion<br />
wrapped in a ball of shallots</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: An onion in an onion<br />
I&#8217;m getting hungry.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i&#8217;m crying<br />
if I was to award an MVP though<br />
again<br />
Britta wins</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, I know we keep saying it every week, but she&#8217;s great.<br />
And what they&#8217;re doing with her seems so effortless compared to with the other characters.<br />
She&#8217;s growing and changing but it&#8217;s not nearly as laboured.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: she came off strangely mature this week<br />
her conversations with Annie<br />
and compromise with Shirley<br />
and forgiveness of Jeff</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah right?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: all while making the best reactionary faces ever</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I mean, maybe she was just high.<br />
But she was very loosey-goosey with everything.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: goosey loosey?<br />
is there a hyphen or not?</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: You ask me like I know anything about grammar.<br />
I liked the presentation of Annie and Britta&#8217;s friendship this week too.<br />
Even though Annie got in one of her amazing Britta disses (and Annie is amazing at dissing Britta) &#8220;Don&#8217;t<br />
make jokes! You&#8217;re bad at it!&#8221;<br />
It was nice to see them as just girlfriends.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: dodging those bullets of friendship!<br />
the loosey goosey was decent advice too</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: It is solid advice.<br />
I think&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: whatever</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: lol<br />
So we seem to like the jokes in this episode and yet aren&#8217;t thrilled by it.<br />
Is it one of your least favourite this year?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: this is such a tough show to be objective about<br />
you end up enjoying he characters so much<br />
any 30 minutes you hang out in their world is going to be fairly enjoyable<br />
and this is basically just us hanging out with them on one saturday<br />
nothing really &#8220;happens&#8221;<br />
and there&#8217;s a sappy ending<br />
but&#8230; yes, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s one of the least interesting episodes so far this year<br />
even the other non-plot related weeks, the zany was done smarter</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Right, like the Asian Annie debate, for me.<br />
I am kind of worried that I&#8217;m getting into Lost mode, where I like the characters so much that I&#8217;m in danger<br />
of forgiving the show for too much</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I can see why you&#8217;d worry about that</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: If you mean, CONSIDERING HOW LOST TURNED OUT, yeah</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but at the same time<br />
no other show has me laughing for 22 out of 26 minutes or whatever<br />
are our expectations too high?<br />
or are we laughing at unfunny shit now?<br />
i&#8217;m pretty sure this is still funnier than anything else on tv<br />
save for maybe Louie</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I think this show is so frequently great that when it&#8217;s not, it&#8217;s jarring.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: lol<br />
i must say one thing<br />
i am genuinely disappointed in<br />
is how unfunny Abed and Troy living together is<br />
i mean, the holodeck was a nice touch, as we said</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: HUGE disappointment</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: but I WAS EXPECTING AMAZING</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: And there was no actual joke to the holodeck<br />
It was just that it looks like the holodeck<br />
But they did nothing with it.<br />
It was hard to watch Abed and Troy try so many jokes and have so many of them fall flat.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I didn&#8217;t laugh at any of the puppet show until the final scene with jeff crying<br />
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<div><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah.<br />
And none of the Twitter jokes were funny (how could they be?) until Jeff&#8217;s line at the end, &#8220;he<br />
tweeeeeeeeted iiiiiiiit!!!!&#8221;<strong>Simon</strong>: i didn&#8217;t even find that line funny!<strong>jef</strong>: Must not have ever happened to you!<br />
haha<strong>Simon</strong>: #anniesmove was a pretty nice touch<br />
no, that has never happened to me<br />
i am &#8220;THAT FRIEND&#8221; in my group, the only one who tweets semi-regularly</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: One more thing for me:<br />
the ending seem to be getting more and more abrupt, later-era Simpsons style<br />
And that kind of worries me.<br />
Episodes feel like this sprint of zany now and then when they reach the credits it&#8217;s like, whoo! We made it.<br />
Let&#8217;s just end this bitch.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that seems lazy?<br />
the show is certainly at it&#8217;s best when it has the cascading setups going<br />
but I can see how that&#8217;d be hard to maintain week to week</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: I think part of it is that they&#8217;re doing more serialized storytelling, so endings aren&#8217;t really &#8220;endings&#8221; like<br />
they used to be<br />
But yeah, I&#8217;m often left feeling like the wind-down is forced or rushed<br />
If there is a wind-down at all</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: that&#8217;s the thing that still differentiates this show from being like the Simpsons for me though<br />
it doesn&#8217;t seem episodic at all<br />
like, you don&#8217;t get the sense every week SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN<br />
you have a lot of &#8220;these people clearly live lives in between these episodes&#8221;<br />
and we&#8217;re just dropping in to watch them for a bit each week</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Yeah, like when I recommend this show to people I always say to start at the very beginning.<br />
Even aside from obvious things like Shirley&#8217;s baby, there&#8217;s threads throughout that are worth following.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: right, even the nuances of the group dynamics</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Alright, so, Professor X<br />
What do you have up for next week?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: now there&#8217;s pressure<br />
I feel like we jinxed ourselves</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Perform!<br />
I&#8217;ll go with my prediction from last week again.<br />
Shirley episode.<br />
And if it&#8217;s not that, Nicole is getting shafted.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree with you, I think maybe they&#8217;ll do a Shirley Change episode<br />
they really haven&#8217;t touched on any of the stuff that happened with her last year</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Make it so.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: did you see the one where they were trapped in the holodeck and could actually die for realsies.</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Haha no, but I&#8217;m actually working my way through the series now from the start<br />
I&#8217;m on S2</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i still have kiss from a rose stuck in my head<br />
worf and diana are the seal and heidi klum of the alpha quandrant</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Worf and Diana end up together??<br />
spoilers yo<br />
wonderful spoilers</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i thought you had already seen it!</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: SEASON 2</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: and were rewatching it</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: haha no</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: MY BAD</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: haha it&#8217;s ok</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: anyhow<br />
yea, i laughed but it&#8217;s not a deep episode</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: it does setup a bit</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: are we still interrobanging??</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I DON&#8217;T KNOW</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: hahahahahah<br />
go for it</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: i mean, now the 3 of them live together<br />
and the email thing opens some doors<br />
that&#8217;s&#8230; something</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: Something weird!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: let&#8217;s get the hell off of greendalia</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: let&#8217;s just end it anywhere lol<br />
the motion gif will save us</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: here<br />
yes</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: no wait, here</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230;.ok, there&#8217;s fine</p>
<p><strong>jef</strong>: i’m actually lolling instead of typing lol</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="Jeffbot3000" src="http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luh8ilkL371r5z4sho1_500.gif" alt="" width="350" height="197" /></p>
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		<title>Q&amp;A: Stephane Gauger on Saigon Electric, Vietnamese hip-hop and youth culture</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jef</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephane Gauger is a Vietnamese-American filmmaker based in L.A. whose latest work, Saigon Electric, premieres in Canada tonight as part of the Toronto Reel Asian Film Festival. A hip-hop dance film based in Vietnam, Saigon Electric tells the story of a traditional ribbon dancer from the countryside named Mai who moves to the city to audition at a [...]]]></description>
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<p>Stephane Gauger is a Vietnamese-American filmmaker based in L.A. whose latest work, <em>Saigon Electric</em>, premieres in Canada tonight as part of the Toronto Reel Asian Film Festival. A hip-hop dance film based in Vietnam, <em>Saigon Electric</em> tells the story of a traditional ribbon dancer from the countryside named Mai who moves to the city to audition at a major dance academy. Failing her entrance exam but unwilling to return home, Mai befriends a local b-girl named Kim, who introduces Mai to her crew, Saigon Fresh. The new friends navigate family issues and class barriers as they prepare for a showdown with a rival crew, the privileged rich kids called the North Killaz.</p>
<p><strong>The Ashcan: You were born in Vietnam, raised in Orange Country, right? Can you talk a bit about your background?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Stephane Gauger: </strong>Yeah, you can see the influence in my work. I have biracial parents – no wait, excuse me, <em>I’m</em> biracial [laughs]. I grew up with Vietnamese culture at home. I had a Vietnamese grandmother that didn’t speak any English so I spoke Vietnamese around the house and because of that, I’m fortunate to be able to work in Vietnam, to direct and produce in Vietnam, pretty easily. But yeah, if you ever meet me, you’ll see that I’m not very Asian looking [laughs].</p>
<p><strong>Do you stay in L.A. mostly or do you go back a lot?</strong></p>
<p>I go back to Vietnam for projects. I came to America when I was 5, so I’m pretty Americanized. I first went back to Vietnam in 1994; at that time it was still poor – and I’ve gone back about 20 times – and every time I go back , it just changes drastically.</p>
<p><strong>I know for other filmmakers I&#8217;ve spoken to who were born in Asia but are living elsewhere, going back to film in their homelands seems to be a way of revisiting or learning about their culture. Is that what it’s like for you?</strong></p>
<p>Uhm, I think I’m past the stage of getting to know my culture. Especially with my two narrative films, it was maybe [more about] <em>sharing</em> the culture. Like with my first feature for example, <em>Owl and the Sparrow</em>, what I wanted to share was that Saigon was a cosmopolitan city just like New York or Paris and that people have the same feelings of, you know, loneliness there. The country itself is still sort of getting out of the “third world” but the major cities are pretty cosmopolitan, I’d say.</p>
<p><strong>In<em> Saigon Electric</em> you shoot Vietnam quite strikingly, but you don’t exoticize the scenery. </strong></p>
<p>Well, my interests in telling Vietnamese stories lie more on the urban side, rather than the postcard side, the countryside. That’s what the tourist board would like you to see – traditional dresses in rice fields with buffaloes—but I’m more of a city person and more interested in the hustle and bustle of the city. I tend to keep it on the street as much as I can.</p>
<p><strong>Before you started work on the film, how into the Vietnamese hip-hop scene were you?</strong></p>
<p>Very, very minimal. I had to play a lot of catch-up. Because I’m based in L.A., what I did first was I started scouting the crews on Youtube. So I got a sense of who the crews were in Vietnam, after that  I had a co-producer go out and make contact with the crew leaders in both Saigon and Hanoi&#8230;and then when we landed and were prepping the film, I had to play catch up and really absorb their day to day routines. Some of the things I learned along the way were really interesting. For instance, I had it in the film where the North crew were very privileged and the South crew weren’t, but in actuality most of the dancers within the big cities tend to all be privileged. If there were any poor kids dancing, they’d be from the outskirts or more of the rural towns.</p>
<p>So that’s one thing I learned – when I got there and saw all the dancers, all the kids in crews would be decked out in hip-hop gear, Puma and Converse and Adidas shoes, and that’s not cheap to buy. Most of them come from good families.</p>
<p><strong>There’s a certain consciousness in your film I think, in that Mai doesn’t sort of “learn hip-hop” and use it for herself, like we see often in other dance films. </strong></p>
<p>Yeah, I mean there were a few people who were expecting &#8212; and I think some audience members would expect [as well] &#8212; Mai, the traditional dancer, to dance with [the crew]. But I think that’s a disservice to real hip-hop dancers, because you can’t really wing it in the span of a month. A lot of these dancers in the film have been with crews for at the very least two to three years. It takes time to develop those skills &#8230; [but] I did try to fuse a bit of traditional dance at the end with the lion drummers, which is a very Chinese and Vietnamese thing. And it was interesting, when I was prepping the film, asking the hip-hop crews there—because I was a little worried—I said, ‘For the finale I’m going to have a drum crew perform with you guys because I think it’s energetic.’ And they said, ‘Yes, we’ve done that before.’ They’d actually fused traditional music with hip-hop before. Those are the kind of things that you learn along the way before you shoot the film.</p>
<p><strong>Did you make a lot of changes as you learned more about the hip-hop scene?</strong></p>
<p>Not really, just little changes. Like, I had it in the script where one crew goes around with a donation box, and they said they don’t do that, they just dance for fun and dance for pride. Later on, before the finale in the film [I planned] a montage of them training; I had them jogging along the river, and I wanted to capture that in slow motion. But they said they just kind of train&#8230;they don’t jog. And there were a lot of these details that we get from American films that didn’t really translate to a Vietnamese film.</p>
<p><strong>Are you a fan of these Hollywood dance films?</strong></p>
<p>A few of them. I’m more of a drama guy, so for me, with <em>Saigon Electric</em>, the dance aspect is secondary to the story and characters, so structurally I tried to have it more similar to something like<em> Save the Last Dance</em>, which is very heavy on the drama.</p>
<p><strong>So more story, and less&#8230;Step Up 3D, I guess?</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. The emphasis in the Step Up movies is to showcase the dance&#8230;with mine, because I like good acting, I tried to emphasize the story more than the dance. And you know, with a small budget, I didn’t feel like I could really compete with American dance films so I didn’t even try. But because of the context of a dance film, I do have requisite dance elements in it, the final battle being one of them.</p>
<p><strong>Are you a hip-hop fan?</strong></p>
<p>I’m not a hip-hop aficionado; what I found interesting in the subject matter was more the youth culture. In Vietnam, hip-hop is relatively new&#8211;it’s really only exploded on the scene in the last few years—but for me, youth culture is important because you’ve got a really young population going through a sea of change in Vietnam, with everything become more global. A lot of the dancers were influenced or inspired by watching a lot of stuff on the internet, by American dance movies and watching battles of other dance crews on Youtube. That’s a part of the change in Vietnam, a lot of young people are on Facebook and the internet. We still keep in touch with the dancers over Facebook.</p>
<p>Saigon Electric <em>screens </em><em>tonight as part of the <a href="http://www.reelasian.com/">Toronto Reel Asian Film Festival</a>, 8:45 p.m. at The Royal. Director Stephane Gauger will be in attendance. An encore screening will be held at the Richmond Hill Centre for the Performing Arts on November 19 at 1:30 p.m.</em></p>
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		<title>FIGHT SCENERY: Lethal Weapon, despair, and Brazilian jiu-jitsu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jef</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#8217;re an avid movie watcher who&#8217;s also dealt with depression, I&#8217;m sure you have a list in your head of movies, good or not, that &#8220;nailed it,&#8221; that perfectly captured your particular experience with despair. Maybe Holly Golightly&#8217;s &#8220;mean reds&#8221; speech in Breakfast at Tiffany&#8217;s marked your personal line between feeling down and feeling out. [...]]]></description>
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<p>If you&#8217;re an avid movie watcher who&#8217;s also dealt with depression, I&#8217;m sure you have a list in your head of movies, good or not, that &#8220;nailed it,&#8221; that perfectly captured your particular experience with despair. Maybe Holly Golightly&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://youtu.be/4jsUIgchHXU" target="_blank">mean reds</a>&#8221; speech in <em>Breakfast at Tiffany&#8217;s</em> marked your personal line between feeling down and feeling out. If you struggle with anxiety and anger, maybe Adam Sandler&#8217;s emotional oddball performance in <em>Punch Drunk Love</em> got you in the gut. <em>Lost in Translation?</em> It&#8217;s taken a rap from some for affected faux-dispiritedness, but you? Maybe you totally got that shit.</p>
<p>One film that&#8217;s on my list is <em>Lethal Weapon</em>, an absurd film to relate to because it is, after all, an absurd film, but bear with me. I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;ve ever felt the way Mel Gibson&#8217;s suicidal Sgt. Martin Riggs does, but the the idea of walking through life as a man already dead is a poetic one, and it&#8217;s one I think Gibson portrays appropriately, viscerally.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Mel-stares-at-gun-2-choke.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8103" title="Lethal Weapon - Mel stares at gun 2 choke" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Mel-stares-at-gun-2-choke.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="240" /></a></p>
<p>When we meet Riggs, a widower and maverick cop, we learn he&#8217;s a man who lives in a recluse&#8217;s trailer alone with a dog, disinterestedly smoking in bed, routinely sticking guns in his face and carrying around a bullet that he plans to use if he ever really decides to kill himself. At the outset of the film, after failing to pull the trigger on himself, he chokes himself. It&#8217;s an important moment, wonderfully acted, that pays off with a callback later in the film.</p>
<p>Riggs is a loose canon, much to the annoyance of his new partner, family man and crusty curmudgeon Roger Murtaugh (the very awesome Danny Glover). Riggs pulls Murtaugh into a bunch of otherwise avoidable situations, all of which end with Riggs tempting death, his or others&#8217;, but especially his.</p>
<p>Like when he makes a beeline to the bad guy, unflinching, cancer stick dangling from his mouth, as bullets ping all around him.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Mel-open-2-gunshots.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8101" title="Lethal Weapon - Mel open 2 gunshots" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Mel-open-2-gunshots.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="237" /></a></p>
<p>Or when he can&#8217;t be bothered with talking down a jumper so instead he cuffs himself to him and then does the jumping for the both of  them. (They land safely on a big inflatable mat.)</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Mel-on-roof-2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8099" title="Lethal Weapon - Mel on roof 2" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Mel-on-roof-2.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="238" /></a></p>
<p>Or that time he botches an operation by shooting too fast and he and Murtaugh have to jump in a pool to try, futilely, to save a key witness&#8217;s life. (Water! Death! Who likes foreshadowing?)</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-pool.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8105" title="Lethal Weapon - pool" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-pool.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="239" /></a></p>
<p>Tired of this guy yet? So is Murtaugh.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Gun-in-shop-2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8095" title="Lethal Weapon - Gun in shop 2" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Gun-in-shop-2.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="241" /></a></p>
<p>Hell, Riggs is tired of himself.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Gun-in-shop-3.jpg"><img src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-Gun-in-shop-3.jpg" alt="" title="Lethal Weapon - Gun in shop 3" width="440" height="238" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8096" /></a></p>
<p>Riggs and Murtaugh ride their rocky partnership toward a final showdown with drug smuggler Joshua (Gary Busey), and by the time the final fight scene unfolds Murtaugh has developed an understanding with Riggs, the kind between men who have faced death side by side. (Riggs, Murtaugh and Joshua are all Vietnam vets. The film seems to be exploring the different ways men deal with trauma, with Riggs becoming self-destructive, Murtaugh finding stability through conservative family life, and Joshua going off the deep end of moral nihilism.)</p>
<p>The final battle takes place outside of Murtaugh&#8217;s home but Murtaugh declines to participate. In fact, he pulls rank and tells the other cops to back off as well, creating an absurd arena on his front lawn &#8212; the swirling lights from police &#8216;copters standing in for the bright Vegas lights of a professional fight and the surrounding officers representing a crowd full of fans &#8212; for Riggs to do battle with Joshua and, by proxy, the demons eating him up inside.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whaddya say? Would you like a shot at the title?&#8221; asks Riggs.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t mind if I do,&#8221; says Joshua.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8085" title="Lethal Weapon - fight 2" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-2.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="266" /></a></p>
<p>For context on how ahead of its time this fight scene was, note that the film was released in 1987 and the choreographer for its concluding battle was <a href="http://www.gracieacademy.com/generations_rorion.asp">Rorion Gracie</a>, an important martial arts figure from the now famous Gracie family, the pioneers of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.  The Gracies wouldn&#8217;t enter the popular American consciousness until 1993 at the inaugural Ultimate Fighting Championship event, where Rorion&#8217;s brother Royce would dominate all challengers and cement himself a legend of a brutal sport that would grow to stir political controversy and, in the Aughts, knock on the door of mainstream North American culture.</p>
<p>The jiu-jitsu move that Riggs uses to put away Joshua is known to many nowadays as a &#8220;triangle choke.&#8221; At the time, the New York Times, like most of us, had never seen such a maneuver and described it, somewhat comically, <a href="http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9B0DE1DB1230F935A35750C0A961948260">like this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Riggs'] way of winning a fight is to force his rival to the ground and attempt to crush him between his knees.</p></blockquote>
<p>Close, but not really. If you&#8217;re interested, here&#8217;s a primer on the ins and outs of the triangle choke:</p>
<p><iframe width="440" height="328" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/90ZAk9IbWQw?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>The most common version of the triangle choke, the one we see in <em>Lethal Weapon</em>, is performed while underneath your opponent in the guard position. Being in that position sometimes means you&#8217;re a badass who jumped into a bad position to secure a submission; most of the time, though, it means you were taken down and put on your back, the most primal of dangerous positions. The triangle is my favourite submission to see in an MMA fight because it&#8217;s often a come-from-behind move where a fighter in trouble has used his or her technical skill to pull off an unlikely victory.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-4.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8087" title="Lethal Weapon - fight 4" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-4.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="239" /></a></p>
<p>The triangle requires a person to stay calm and in control of their mental faculties while in a horribly dangerous situation. At the beginning of the film, Riggs is certainly fearless but he&#8217;s not a man particularly concerned with controlling his actions.</p>
<p>At the end, Joshua throws Riggs into a pool of rain water and tries to drown him, recalling the foreshadowing from the pool.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-5.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8088" title="Lethal Weapon - fight 5" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-5.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="239" /></a></p>
<p>Riggs can die here, like he&#8217;s always wanted to, but he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-6.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8089" title="Lethal Weapon - fight 6" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-6.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="238" /></a></p>
<p>He survives. With Murtaugh&#8217;s support from the sidelines, he perseveres.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-7.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8090" title="Lethal Weapon - fight 7" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-7.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="238" /></a></p>
<p>And secures a triangle choke to end it &#8212; the movie, Joshua&#8217;s drug smuggling reign, and his internal battles.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s within this fight scene that the character completes his arc from maverick asshole to guy a man like Murtaugh can call a trusted friend. Someone who won&#8217;t lose a fight just to complete a death wish, and also someone who will release a choke at the final moment to let a bad guy live, despite a bloodthirsty crowd that&#8217;s calling for more fatal punishment.</p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-8.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8091" title="Lethal Weapon - fight 8" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-8.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="238" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-9.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8092" title="Lethal Weapon - fight 9" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-9.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="240" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-10.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8093" title="Lethal Weapon - fight 10" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lethal-Weapon-fight-10.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="235" /></a></p>
<p>A guy who chokes his demons, not himself.</p>
<p><em>“Fight Scenery” is a column obsessed with cinematic combat. No can defend!</em></p>
<p>Previously: <a href="http://theashcan.com/2011/06/07/fight-scenary-the-unlikely-kung-fu-of-scott-pilgrim-and-knives-chau/">The unlikely kung-fu of Scott Pilgrim and Knives Chau</a></p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Advanced Gay&#8221; (s3e6)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Jef: *secret handshake* Simon: (seeeecret) We need to start using that handshake in real life. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Community_AdvancedGay.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-8409" title="Community_AdvancedGay" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Community_AdvancedGay.jpg" alt="Community_AdvancedGay" width="450" height="300" /></a>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale. That’s just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> *<strong>secret handshake*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: (seeeecret)<br />
We need to start using that handshake in real life.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Will that make us unbearable to hang out with? Or just make us the best?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230;both?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> If we&#8217;re ever at the same Halloween, we should be Troy and Abed.<br />
No&#8230;wait.<br />
Gah.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Well, without painting ourselves.<br />
I think that&#8217;s not a terrible idea.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> We could even theme it<br />
and be Troy and Abed in the Morning<br />
or Troy and Abed in Inspector Spacetime.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Evil Troy and Abed.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> YES<br />
Winner winner!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230;we would basically just look like us normally<br />
with goatees<br />
and a handshake.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m sold.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Hellooooo Halloween 2012</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s in my calendar!<br />
(It&#8217;s in everyone&#8217;s calendar!)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: So did we call that vice dean ep last week or what?<br />
WE&#8217;RE EXPERTS.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I think we called it every week!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: shhhh&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Did it live up to your expectations and desires?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It did.<br />
The call back to Troy&#8217;s Good Will Plumbing plot was really unexpected<br />
but also perfectly reasonable.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It also opened up a lot of possibilities.<br />
Now that we know even the most minor of characters can return<br />
and turn their one-note jokes into running storylines.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;m trying to figure out what they were aping with that whole plot though.<br />
Like, obviously Good Will Hunting<br />
but then the school part<br />
what was that?<br />
It turned his power into something more Harry Potter-ish, haha.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Not sure about specific references, but I&#8217;d say any college movie with a secret society in it.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea? I was getting more of a fantasy vibe. Like Star Wars or something.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> This may be the first episode ever where my cultural cache failed me. I didn&#8217;t catch ANY specific references.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea, I don&#8217;t think there was a lot.<br />
Except for Inspecter Spacetime, obvs.<br />
We called for plot<br />
and we got plot finally<br />
plus another call back to last year&#8217;s daddy issues with Jeff.<br />
Did it feel like a step in the right direction after the last two weeks?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yes and no, I think.<br />
Right direction, but that said, I don&#8217;t know that this was a particularly strong episode.<br />
It was good.<br />
But it seemed to plod around too much for me.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yes, they crammed a lot into it.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And Jeff&#8217;s relationship with his father seems much more interesting to me than Pierce&#8217;s, which is weird given that it&#8217;s Pierce&#8217;s dad that we meet.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: And who was amazing, I might add.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yes!<br />
To be honest at first I didn&#8217;t like his ivory hair piece.<br />
I thought, oh here we go, the show is going too crazy again<br />
but it nailed it and the actor was great.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I had to Google the word &#8220;Jewess.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s a real word!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Jewess.<br />
(I just wanted to type it.)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea, the explanation for the hair piece was pretty classic.<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t want a head of Oriental hair either I guess.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And to have it linger on after his death and be passed on to Jeff was somewhat meaningful.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: The touch of it going to whoever killed him<br />
was great<br />
like tusks! hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I like that he knew he would die at another man&#8217;s hands.<br />
I don&#8217;t know if this is weird to say<br />
but the building plot of the characters choosing a career, Britta with psychology and, this week, Troy with manual repair, kind of makes me sad.<br />
It&#8217;s very real and it sets up the idea that these people won&#8217;t be hanging out with each other after graduation.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It&#8217;s definitely been done really organically<br />
unlike almost every show set in a school<br />
where people just linger around awkwardly.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;Saved by the Bell: Wedding in Las Vegas&#8221;!<br />
etc etc</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: The closest comparison I can think of is actually Friday Night Lights<br />
where you watch the characters grow up and some of them actually leave the show.<br />
Although in this case, I guess once everyone leaves it&#8217;ll be at the end.<br />
Speaking of growth though, does it seem like despite the moralistic aspects of the show<br />
when it comes to say Jeff and Pierce<br />
they really just never change? haha<br />
Like, they devote the entire plot to them supposedly learning about themselves only to not?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yes and no&#8230;<br />
Pierce is still an asshole at the end at his father’s funeral, which is in character, but his final act of defiance against his father is not.<br />
And Jeff&#8217;s final speech I thought, for the first time, had some edge to it.<br />
I really really liked Jeff this week, whereas usually he&#8217;s just kind of there for me, holding things together.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: You liked the emotional side?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I liked that we saw some rage, but it wasn&#8217;t really the snide comical rage we usually see.<br />
It was very real and for once he wasn&#8217;t really preaching, he was speaking in layers, saying one thing whereas we knew he was speaking about something else.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: He has to know he&#8217;s speaking about himself though.<br />
He denies it to Britta at the end<br />
but in my mind he&#8217;s consciously denying it.<br />
He&#8217;s just not that dense.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Britta was kind of our surrogate this week, playing pop psychologist and getting abused for it.<br />
But really, she was right about everything.<br />
IS she worst? Or is she THE BEST?<br />
(SHE’S THE BEST.)</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I like that she was right<br />
but just SLIGHTLY wrong<br />
in calling it EDIBLE.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: She totally Britta&#8217;d it.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Edible&#8217;s Complex is my favourite complex of all time.<br />
Yeah, she was right, but she bungled the execution.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I always think of eggs when I hear that word.<br />
That advertising campaign thoroughly brainwashed young me.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Speaking of advertising&#8230;<br />
Hawthorne&#8217;s Wipes?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I thought Pierce&#8217;s storyline was pretty humorous considering it was mildly dramatic<br />
but it did get a little cloying at times.<br />
Like, an excuse to make gay jokes!<br />
I laughed<br />
but it was just enh to me.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, I felt a lot of the gay jokes to be really weak.<br />
Stupid gay jokes can be funny for being stupid gay jokes, but a whole episode of it feels like bad sitcom.<br />
Something a lesser show would do.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yes, it was just too much.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And we&#8217;ve seen MUCH better with the Dean overall throughout the seasons.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230;I don&#8217;t know what he was supposed to be dressed up as? hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It wasn&#8217;t Tron!<br />
But yeah I don&#8217;t even mean him specifically this week, I just mean the episode kind of treats &#8220;Hey, gay jokes!&#8221; likes it&#8217;s a novel gimmick<br />
but it&#8217;s something the show has been doing all along and doing much less crudely.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Right. Like, the Chang throw away at the end really fell flat for me.<br />
It was like a scene from Van Wilder.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah. Even though his intonation of &#8220;gay!&#8221; always makes me laugh.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: That&#8217;s just how he talks!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol true.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It felt kind of lazy, I guess is my overall feeling.<br />
So finally:<br />
Vice Dean.<br />
The final storyline of this week<br />
a busy one it was.<br />
Worth the wait?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The secret society scene with the astronaut making paninis and black Hitler was great.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: YES</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And John Goodman has a way of making his lines amazing.<br />
Sometimes it&#8217;s just regular dialogue, but he chews it so hard.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;It&#8217;s still a mistake.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> YES</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;No it&#8217;s not.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Yes&#8230; it is.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yes yes yes<br />
That was so good<br />
and another instance of the episode working on two levels.<br />
Because the villain is right, right?<br />
Troy does need to make a decision that isn&#8217;t just &#8220;hanging out with friends.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Well, yes and no.<br />
He&#8217;s right in the definition of a mistake<br />
but Troy doesn&#8217;t necessarily need to rush into adulthood.<br />
That&#8217;s a less quantifiable mistake I suppose.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Right, I see what you mean.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: If anything I think it paints the other side of Remedial Chaos Theory<br />
where Troy wants so hard to be treated like an adult<br />
when in reality, he just wants to be a kid<br />
for as long as he can, at least.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Troy is a great part of the show because he&#8217;s the most immature but also often the most mature, like in his birthday episode.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Right.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s like his childlike nature allows him to see through the bullshit of adulthood.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: He wants the respect afforded to adults<br />
but not the responsibility.<br />
Which, hey, don&#8217;t we all?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha, I do!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I honestly don&#8217;t know where else that plot line can go haha<br />
Like, what are they going to do? Force him into fixing air conditioners? How? haha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m hoping it leads to him taking over the air conditioning cult.<br />
Overthrowing vice dean and restoring order to Greendale!<br />
Or maybe not.<br />
But definitely, something is building<br />
which I really like about this season.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Would it be hilarious if all of the characters ended up becoming teachers at Greendale at the end of the show?<br />
It seems too easy&#8230;<br />
but also kind of amazing.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL<br />
so horrible, yet so possible and possibly funny.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Psych, air conditioning, law, baking&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Not as a continuation of the show, but as a final note.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yes</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I can see maybe at least one or two of them staying on as staff.<br />
Though maybe that&#8217;s too Saved by the Bell as well<br />
(shout outs to Screech).</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: The best part about the John Goodman scenes<br />
is when he acts the fuck out of his scenes<br />
they successfully feel more important, haha.<br />
Even dialogue like &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to be a plumber because they deal with poopy&#8221;<br />
can be slipped in and make this relatively small decision seem truly important.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It&#8217;s a wonderful bit of casting, him and Omar<br />
whereas normally the teachers are throwaway bits for comedians and comic actors<br />
now we have these character actors and &#8220;real&#8221; actors shaping up the school.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: They need to have some David Simon discussion in one ep eventually.<br />
They haven&#8217;t met yet right?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I don&#8217;t think so<br />
And I agree!<br />
So, do you think this is Pierce&#8217;s story moving forward, or was this just a one-off episode to further Jeff&#8217;s character?<br />
We&#8217;ve now seen both of Pierce&#8217;s parents die and it would be a shame to not have that shape his character going on.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Right. I think it frees him up to try some out of character things.<br />
It&#8217;s almost a built in excuse.<br />
As for Jeff&#8230;. I&#8217;m not sure.<br />
Does he ever really learn anything?<br />
I feel like that&#8217;s his M.O.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m really wondering if Jeff ends up as a lawyer again.<br />
He&#8217;s the only one to come into this show with a pre-defined career path.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: And Pierce.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Right, but I don&#8217;t think Pierce is at the school to find work per se.<br />
He&#8217;s just kind of bored, right?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: No, that&#8217;s true.<br />
Last year<br />
Jeff seemed to have developed JUST ENOUGH<br />
of a conscience to not be his old lawyer self<br />
in the Rob Cordry episode.<br />
But what else could he do? haha<br />
He&#8217;s still fundamentally kind of a dick<br />
(and who IS he texting all the time?)</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaah<br />
Yeah, right?<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing Jeff&#8217;s lawyers friends again, especially Drew Carey.<br />
He has a hole in his hand!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Lol, that was classic.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> They could do that joke with the coin through his hand AGAIN and I would still applaud it.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I really enjoyed the chloroform scene in that ep.<br />
It was like, Marx Brothersesque haha.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I know we&#8217;re getting off topic<br />
but that chloroform scene is where I really fell in love with the Annie character.<br />
She cracked me up there.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yes, her facial reactions when attacking the dude!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And then attacking him again!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hahahaha<br />
So good.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;STOP CHLOROFORMING PEOPLE!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Wise words we should all heed.<br />
Did you like this ep more?<br />
Or the past two?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Definitely the past two for me.<br />
Not that this one was bad.<br />
You?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree, I enjoyed the last two more<br />
but I feel like this one is necessary<br />
to make eps like the last two possible.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, it set up a lot of story and recurring joke possibilities.<br />
I think someone will wear Pierce&#8217;s dad&#8217;s hairpiece somewhere down the line.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: And it progressed the greater story lines a lot.<br />
I think we might see the Annie-moving-in-with-Troy-and-Abed episode soon.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I hope so! I see a lot of promise in that.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Either that or catching us up with Shirley. We have heard nothing of her kid!<br />
Her kid was BORN IN THE SCHOOL!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I definitely think Shirley&#8217;s up to bat next week.<br />
She&#8217;s been in the background this whole time.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Kind of unrelated<br />
but we haven&#8217;t seen the Greendale Human all year.<br />
Slightly sad.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha, another great Halloween costume option!<br />
Though highly uncomfortable&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: My friend wore one of those suits this year.<br />
He couldn’t pee the entire night.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha<br />
Wait, was he the Greendale Human?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: No<br />
he was&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8230;or a Power Rangers putty?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I don&#8217;t know what he was.<br />
He looked like if Rorchasch cleaned up for a first date.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Good on you for not asking him!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Some things you don&#8217;t need to know.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> A sense of mystery is always welcome!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Ok, now you pretend to be Simon so I can talk about how to end this thing.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Uh&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: HAHAHA<br />
Watching the &#8220;jef is typing&#8230;.&#8221; appear and disappear is the best thing ever.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> (Can you see me making Chinese eyes?)<br />
Can you do me?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: LOL<br />
I&#8217;m trying not to make a gay joke.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8230;<br />
Jef is typing&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: pew pew</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> aaand scene.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: lol<br />
You know what was kind of amazing?<br />
When Troy says &#8220;hey girl, how you liven?&#8221;<br />
I was like<br />
that&#8217;s not bad form.<br />
His swag is on point.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That was totally Childish Gambino.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yes<br />
but I could never pull that off!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I liked that Abed also put on a sexy face.<br />
And then said &#8220;pew.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think it&#8217;s strange that&#8217;s a word now.<br />
Sign of the times.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, and I use it all the time.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: ME TOO.<br />
I&#8217;m not kidding either.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> We ARE Troy and Abed<br />
Who needs growing up?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8230;one of us has to develop a rap persona.<strong><br />
</strong> You&#8217;re way more qualified, hahaha.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Uhm&#8230;<br />
<strong>*hides old rap songs*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: AMAZING</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> DON&#8217;T ASK.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I&#8217;ll be your hype man!<br />
but instead of &#8220;uh&#8221; and &#8220;Yeah&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;ll just throw &#8220;pew pew&#8217;s&#8221; into every song.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> CAN WE PLEASE CALL OURSELVES THE PEW TANG CLAN</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: OMG<br />
I AM DYING</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> lol<br />
Sold.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: *<strong>secret handshake*</strong></p>
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		<title>The COMMUNITY Interrobang: &#8220;Horror Fiction in Seven Spooky Steps&#8221; (s3e5)</title>
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				<category><![CDATA[Interrobang]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Television]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Community Interrobang]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Community recap]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Community s3e5]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Gay marriage!]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[I think it's safe to say Annie has issues with Britta]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale, which is just one of the many reasons they love Community. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead. Simon: I had almost forgotten it was Halloween. Jef: Yeah it feels really early [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>Jef and Simon met in a school environment much like that of Greendale, which is just one of the many reasons they love </em>Community<em>. They’ll be chatting about season three every week, and you should join them, because you’re streets ahead.</em></p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I had almost forgotten it was Halloween.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah it feels really early in the season to be doing a Halloween episode already but maybe recapping the show makes it go by faster.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Possibly. Why are we so critical?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hey, I liked it!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Me too!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> At first it was annoying that it was yet another episode of small stories, but oh well.<br />
It was good.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It reminded me of classic Simpsons Treehouse of Horrors.<br />
Not sure if that was intentional or not.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I think that was definitely the vibe.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: So Britta is using her degree.<br />
That&#8217;s encouraging.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I think the weakest part of the episode was actually that set up, with Britta thinking someone in the group was psycho.<br />
It felt really forced and I didn&#8217;t get the humour of it.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Right. I&#8217;m guessing they really liked the idea to have only one of them be sane though,<br />
so we had to put up with that premise for the payoff.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;d like to say that that payoff wasn&#8217;t &#8220;earned&#8221; but Abed has already made fun of me for that&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: They&#8217;re so far ahead of us.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Do you like this trend of character-heavy episodes where they don&#8217;t really do anything but bounce off each other?<br />
With Britta&#8217;s psychology test in this episode, it&#8217;s like they weren&#8217;t even trying to come up with a reasonable goal for the characters.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: No, but I always feel holiday episodes are separate from the meta-narrative of a season.<br />
Although Chang knocking up Shirley was pretty amazing<br />
so what do I know.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I was going to say, I disagree with you.<br />
Chang + Shirley, plus Abed&#8217;s breakdown last Christmas had story threads and callbacks all through last season.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It does seem strange that like, seven episodes in, the premiere had the most plot development in it haha.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah right?<br />
That and the Asian Annie episode.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: That was a pretty self contained ep too though.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Mostly everything else has just been these very theatrical character plays.<br />
Not that it&#8217;s horrible thing.<br />
I really loved Abed&#8217;s story in particular this week.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I agree in that being strange<br />
but because I am a fan of the characters, I have no qualms with it so far.<br />
I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s sustainable for an entire season though.<br />
We need to learn what the hell was up with vice-dean at some point.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha every week with the vice dean!</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I LOVE JOHN GOODMAN</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> What plot threads do you see them laying down?<br />
By this point last year the Shirley and Chang story was just starting. Was the Pierce arc kicking off?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I honestly do think vice-dean is going to be heavily involved in the second half.<br />
Although subtle, that&#8217;s the ONE plot line they&#8217;ve referred to in every episode basically<br />
that the school is poor<br />
pay for water<br />
flickering lights<br />
Chang as a security guard<br />
They don&#8217;t normally lay that much groundwork for nothing.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I agree, that side of things seems to be developing quite well<br />
and really hilariously.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: So, like you said, again with the mini stories<br />
I really really enjoyed Abed&#8217;s hahaha</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Abed + Britta = the best</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: The scene where he&#8217;s humming the radio<br />
and Troy is humming along</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol yes<br />
And the shot of them standing back-to-back holding knives</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;I love you&#8221;<br />
&#8220;shhh&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> And just the fact that Abed has his characters speak in exposition.<br />
My second favourite was Annie&#8217;s Twilight Saga riff where she teaches vampire Jeff how to read.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I enjoyed that. My second would probably be the Human Centipede parody though.<br />
I&#8217;m a sucker for Troybed gags.<br />
This was&#8230; literally&#8230; a Troybed gag.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> HAHA their mind powers<br />
I forgot about that<br />
Sorry, I just pictured their glowing out eyes out of nowhere.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: hahahaha<br />
Unfortunately, I thought Pierce and Shirley&#8217;s stories were kind of forced<br />
outside of Britta pouring a tupperware container full of pot on herself.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha “pot bong!”<br />
I thought Shirley&#8217;s was the worst for sure and I&#8217;m wondering if it&#8217;s almost on purpose.<br />
They seem to be harping on Shirley this season.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea, they&#8217;re roughing her up it&#8217;s true.<br />
Why do you think?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I think it&#8217;s possible they&#8217;re going to Pierce her this season.<br />
Examine why she fits with this group even though clearly she doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: LOL<br />
That was kind of a bonus joke<br />
but the fact they&#8217;re coining phrases now<br />
is pretty awesome.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m going to use &#8216;pot bong&#8217; for the rest of my life.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: amen</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Also, has Britta not had an awesome moment in any episode yet this season?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: She is by far the best thing about this season.<br />
That and Dean&#8217;s costumes.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha, when Devil Dean said &#8220;Gaaaay Marriage!&#8221; I died.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: HAHAHAHA<br />
meeee toooo</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Just making the Dean the devil was so amazingly good.<br />
That&#8217;s exactly what Shirley would think of him as.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea, she really hates Britta still too it seems.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah I definitely think a Britta/Shirley showdown is brewing.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Pierce&#8217;s story was lame, predictably, but his Pierce-ish remarks and one liners were pretty spot on.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Pierce is in a weird spot now.<br />
He went through this huge arc last year where he became really hostile, and now he&#8217;s more or less been rehabilitated.<br />
But he&#8217;s still the same character and they clearly have no intention of changing him.<br />
What do you do with him now that won&#8217;t seem like going backwards?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Right, he&#8217;s kind of back to just being the awkward old guy everyone ignores.<br />
I can&#8217;t think of another show that develops their characters personalities with such meticulousness<br />
that even the awkward characters in the group come across each episode as awkward.<br />
Like, as if you actually are friends and know these characters personally.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> There isn&#8217;t a comedy on right now with nearly as well defined characters.<br />
Or, deeply defined.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Fittingly, it&#8217;s the Wire of sitcom comedies.<br />
I want to ask what you think is next<br />
but it&#8217;s getting hard to predict anything with this show haha.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Next on the big picture level?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Yea</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I think a lot of what the show is doing is just showing these characters grow up.<br />
In obvious episodes like Troy&#8217;s birthday, but also in little ways in every episode.<br />
And now we have Britta choosing a career, and Annie becoming a woman, and all that<br />
I think where we end up at the end of season four will be really far away from season one.<br />
And I like that.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: What do you make of the test results?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I don&#8217;t know.<br />
I don&#8217;t make anything out of them really, I didn&#8217;t connect with that whole storyline.<br />
It&#8217;s sweet that Abed is that sane one, but also obvious, and also, who cares?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It&#8217;s true that the answer was obvious<br />
although technically Jeff&#8217;s test was random so I don&#8217;t know if that counts.<br />
But I feel like&#8230; they were trying to say something?<br />
I just don&#8217;t know what<br />
because that story was the framework for the whole episode.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That everyone is crazy?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Well yea, that Abed being sane is actually what makes him crazy.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> If we go meta, it could be that it was a shout out to the audience.<br />
Abed&#8217;s story was a very literal rundown of fan complaints about continuity and such,<br />
so it&#8217;s kind of like, Hey, thanks for a being a good sport.<br />
What do you think it was trying to say?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think it was trying to say WE&#8217;RE all insane<br />
because, I mean, nobody can relate to Abed as a human being.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Ah, so the exact opposite lol.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: yea, hahaha<br />
I think the idea is Abed is nuts because he&#8217;s so rational<br />
and everybody is crazy<br />
like, the characters, but also us.<br />
Tangential<br />
but Troy&#8217;s pencil Wolverine claws<br />
was totally something I did all the time as a kid.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> YES<br />
Him and Shirley won the cold war for me.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Her just straight smashing and wielding a broken bottle was awesome.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I love that she&#8217;s an alcoholic and she somehow materialized a bottle of booze.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah<br />
Do you think her aversion to Britta&#8217;s marijuana habit is realistic given her party-girl past?<br />
I mean she could very well be against it, but so ignorant about it?</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I think it might make her feel like she has the cred to be judgmental?<br />
Like, I&#8217;ve been there, I now know better.<br />
That type of thing.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> When you put it like that I laugh<br />
Because that maybe means pouring weed all over your body is something Shirley actually used to do, not just some stupid thing she imagines people do because she doesn&#8217;t know any better.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I hadn&#8217;t even considered that, but it&#8217;s true!<br />
Or champagne!<br />
If rap videos have taught me anything.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Ah, Shirley.<br />
She&#8217;s not doing much this year yet but she&#8217;s killing the line readings still.<br />
I loved her preacher voice, she sounded like Sam Jackson.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: &#8220;You ruined a Britta party! That&#8217;s like letting poop go bad.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh right, that&#8217;s the catch phrase of the episode<br />
Britta, as a verb&#8211;</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: It&#8217;s totally streets ahead.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8211;for really small, excusable mistakes.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: I got the feeling it actually means to do something stupid, haha.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh no yes, you&#8217;re totally right haha<br />
i am just sleepy</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: ME TOO<br />
how do we end this<br />
uh</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Uhm</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: We totally Britta&#8217;s this interrobang.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol a typo</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: brittaed?<br />
britta&#8217;d<br />
wow</p>
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