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		<title>The LOST Interrobang: DEZ vs. THE WORLDS! (S6E11)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knowing that the ingredients for a good LOST episode is a healthy mix of “!!” and “??” Jef and Anupa will be interrobanging the show’s final season every week. As LOST winds down to its conclusion, can its creators dish out all the needed explanations without resorting to exposition? Can they keep up the mystery [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_3518" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 610px"><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Lost-episode-11.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-3518" title="Lost - episode 11" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Lost-episode-11.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="338" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The wonders of science? Or the music of Driveshaft?</p></div>
<p><em>Knowing that the ingredients for a good </em><em>LOST episode is a healthy mix of “!!” and “??” Jef and Anupa will be interrobanging the show’s final season every week. As LOST winds down to its conclusion, can its creators dish out all the needed explanations without resorting to exposition? Can they keep up the mystery without succumbing to just more mindfuckery? </em></p>
<p><em>Apparently, yes, they can. Hi-five for &#8220;Happily Every After&#8221;! There be SPOILERS yonder:<br />
</em></p>
<p><strong><span id="more-3533"></span>Jef:</strong> Ok uhm wow</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yeah dude</p>
<p>That was a FUCKED UPPP episode.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol so good</p>
<p>It hit all my tender loin spots.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Do you feel slightly fatigued after watching it?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The opposite! I feel ever so amped and tweaking.</p>
<p>My lip is twitching like Desmond&#8217;s when he&#8217;s angry.</p>
<p>We are on the same page, yes?</p>
<p>The Awesome Page?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Dude, there is so much going on that my brain can&#8217;t handle it. I might time travel.</p>
<p>But the Island is probably not done with me yet.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with that opening scene.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Ok yeah my one quibble &#8212; was Dez really out cold this entire time since he got shot?</p>
<p>He had no idea he was on a submarine?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I just assumed they drugged him?</p>
<p>I liked the fact that it served as a reminder of how little time has actually passed between when we saw him get shot and when these folks actually came to the island…</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hm yes, good point.</p>
<p>Yo there is an awesome line by Widmore at the start when he says to Jin: &#8220;It will be easier for me to show you than to tell you.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what this show is good at, no matter how much it annoys us when we want answers.</p>
<p>It shows us shit, it doesn&#8217;t just tell us.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Right.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Right then and there I knew this episode was going off.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: It&#8217;s like &#8220;SO MUCH IS HAPPENING BUT NOT HAPPENING, BUT HAPPENING!&#8221;</p>
<p>You feel like the storyline is being pushed forward but you don&#8217;t exactly know in what ways.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> But it&#8217;s in the exact way it should (for the most part &#8212; Lost still has its pee pee episodes).</p>
<p>I feel like most of my gripes about the pacing of this season would be wiped away if I watched it straight marathon on DVD, like I did with the rest of the show.</p>
<p>But either way, here we are, finally, with my one wish: realities crossing!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: YES!</p>
<p>So happy for this.</p>
<p>Also, when Zoe said &#8220;That&#8217;s not scheduled til tomorrow morning,&#8221;</p>
<p>Widmore said back, &#8220;I don&#8217;t care when it&#8217;s scheduled.&#8221;</p>
<p>IT&#8217;S SKEDULED, NOT SHEDULED SILLY!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha do you think that was a nod to the fact the writers knew they had to start speeding shit up?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: LOL it could be, I was just irritated that Zoe said scheduled and Widmore said sheduled. An interjection that has been made at an inappropriate time. Unsheduled.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Saying “sheduled” is awesome &#8212; I wish I could get away with it.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Have we seen this station before?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Nope, I think the Wids built this one themselves.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: That&#8217;s really fast though?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> They got those anti-Smoke pylons up with quickness too.</p>
<p>Widmore seems like a good manager, in that I-fucking-hate-that-guy-but-he-gets-shit-done kind of way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: What did you think of the nuke box?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I thought the whole thing was mad Marvel Comics which means I loved it so much.</p>
<p>As an aside, I didn&#8217;t realize how much I missed the sci-fi aspects of this show and didn&#8217;t realize how deep we went into fantasy territory lately.</p>
<p>So yeah, I was happy.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: For sure.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it was set up as a sci-fi show per se, so the crappy CGI when Des was frying threw me off.</p>
<p>But ultimately, I dug it when we began to see how that unfolded.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> No no, it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It had this hodgepodge of all these different genres, but the sci-fi took a back seat after the time travel business ended and after the death of Farady.</p>
<p>Lol I was laughing that Dez&#8217;s chair was not bolted down, like it would have been in any other similar scene in any other show.</p>
<p>He just smashed the shit out of it.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: It looked like the chair in the cabin!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Ha maybe it was! RIP cabin chair.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Maybe the other portal is the cabin!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha</p>
<p>Ok so Widmore flips 3 switches on Dez and then we flash to the l’aeroport.</p>
<p>What did you think of Dez meeting Claire?</p>
<p>Was there a significance there I missed?</p>
<p>Or just a random we are all everbody moment?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: You mean, you all everybodyÉ</p>
<p>(MY FUCKING PUNCTUATION HAS STOPPED WORKING AGAIN)</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh no the accents!</p>
<p>lololol</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I hate this laptop, can we put a Paypal thing on the blog to buy me a new one?</p>
<p>And as for Claire, I was thinking there might be some significance in it, but in all likelihood it was probably only to certify the connections&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, and to set up Charlie’s obsession I guess&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Why else would Desmond want to show these people something in the end if he hadn’t forged a connection with some of them?</p>
<p>And yes, to set up Charlie&#8217;s story.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Guy, did they make Charlie&#8217;s ears BIGGER?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: His hair is shorter!</p>
<p>Proportions!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> During the commercial for Flash Forward I was surprised by how normal-sized he looks in that show.</p>
<p>Haha I think he still wears his Peter Jackson makeup.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I like the Geico commercial with the big biscuit.</p>
<p>It looks delicious.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I don&#8217;t know this biscuit, but I&#8217;d probably eat it.</p>
<p>How much do you care or not care about Charlie?</p>
<p>He was dead long before I ever started talking Lost with you &#8212; are you a fan?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Charlie has his moments, but I have a soft spot for him because of the way he died.</p>
<p>And because he was always trying to prove himself: he was always positioned as this sad puppy kind of character and I totally fell for it.</p>
<p>They wrote him really well.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> So did the car scene do anything for you?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I mean, earlier when they were talking in the bar I was wondering why exactly ONE moment would affect Charlie in that way?</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;ve had a near-death experience like that, but is the reason this thing really grips Charlie supposed to be blind faith or just to illustrate the power of the moment?</p>
<p>And how did he know it would happen to Dez?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> This is true &#8212; I feel like Charlie was kind of  &#8220;used&#8221; in this storyline. Used in a good way, don&#8217;t get me wrong, but him more than anyone else seems like a diff. character in this reality.</p>
<p>I felt he was there just to set up Dez&#8217;s story.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I get you, but in a sense I also think he was there to prove a point about these connections.</p>
<p>I mean he is the character introducing this concept to us.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I think that&#8217;s my thing though (this is a minor gripe here) &#8212; he was introducing the love concept to make room for the Dez and Penny story. The actual moment between Charlie and Claire, we didn&#8217;t see it, it didn&#8217;t matter to us, you know?</p>
<p>But like I said, it&#8217;s minor, b/c at this point Charlie’s character is a side player cameo anyway.</p>
<p>Maybe I just wanted to hear Claire say &#8220;Chahlie.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: LOL, that is weird.</p>
<p>Would you ask her to say it before you kissed her?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I probably would.</p>
<p>Let me clarify I have the hots for Claire, not Emilie de Ravin.</p>
<p>So all the Claire-isms? Word. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;ll say. Word.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Then you should not watch Remember Me, unless you have the hots for Robert Pattinson. Which I do, after seeing that film.</p>
<p>SMOKING.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LAUGHING</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Desmond was also looking quite dapper.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Dez is man-crushable.</p>
<p>I want to buy that man a fucking a beer.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Or whatever the fuck he was drinking.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: 60 year old Scotch.</p>
<p>That’s expensive so I am taking your mancrush seriously.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yes, he is worthy.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: HAHAHA Yes. I loved that line from Widmore.</p>
<p>How UNSURPRISING was that reveal?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah for a second I was like GROAN. But it was a commercial break reveal, not a reveal-reveal, so I let it slide.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: A reveal is a reveal!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> (is a reveal!)</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Also, another minor gripe:</p>
<p>Desmond got the fastest MRI in the world.</p>
<p>Or at least in the U.S.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> 30 mins?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: He must have a sick healthcare plan.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> He aborted it with the button yo.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Dude, people wait months for that shit.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Oh ahhahah I got you.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: And they are super $$</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I guess he&#8217;s on that Widmore waiting list.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: HE GOT THAT WIDMORE PAPER.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Rich characters always excuse everything.</p>
<p>Ok yo let&#8217;s get down to busyness:</p>
<p>ELOISE</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Right, I think that was one of the most head-scratchy scenes of this whole episode.</p>
<p>What is her fucking deal?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> She knowwwwws.</p>
<p>AND she was like Desmond chasing Penny is &#8220;a violation.&#8221;</p>
<p>So there are &#8220;rules&#8221; in this world as well.</p>
<p>Can I geek for a sec?</p>
<p>Has Eloise, through her knowledge of the time-loop, somehow orchestrated the entire reality-splitting? And do these &#8220;rules&#8221; she mentions imply Jacob and/or Smokey&#8217;s presence here as well?</p>
<p>And speaking of the fucking time-loop – is it possible she knew not only that she would shoot her son, Faraday, but also that it would be after Faraday tells Jack to hit the bomb? And if she knew this, maybe that could also mean reality 2 has actually already &#8220;happened&#8221; before? Even bigger time-loop?</p>
<p>That made sense in my head.</p>
<p>I promise.</p>
<p>Haha we can move on. I&#8217;ll clear that one up in the comments, maybe.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yup, you lost me with that.</p>
<p>Maybe Smokey is inhabiting her body.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Ew Smokey is having sex wid Widmore.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Gay?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Whatever it is, I like it?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: How cool and normal was Daniel?</p>
<p>We are so used to him being twitchy and nerdly.</p>
<p>I found him minorly babely in this episode.</p>
<p>And I loved that he was a piano player (his aborted childhood passion which we found out about in earlier seasons) and that they tied his physics shit into it, even though that’s not part of his reality 2 persona.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Dude yeah I love Daniel.</p>
<p>Daniel and Desmond are like Team Science in this bitch and I support them one thousand per cent.</p>
<p>How many awesome turns in Lost are these two side characters responsible for?</p>
<p>Awesome.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: It’s true.</p>
<p>They are completely intriguing too, and so three dimensional.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah and maybe because they&#8217;re not in our faces every week (JACK AND KATE) we never got the chance to hate them.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I could never hate Dez.</p>
<p>He’s my broooothaaa.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol</p>
<p>On the mythology tip &#8212; we were saying before that we didn&#8217;t get the presence of Team Widmore and what they added to the Jacob/Smokey battle.</p>
<p>I totally think that&#8217;s been fleshed out now and it&#8217;s more than welcome.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Explain</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Well I think before I had it set up in my head that Jacob&#8217;s crew = faith and Smokey&#8217;s crew = free will.</p>
<p>But now with the scientists all in the mix and Desmond dropping jewels like &#8220;there&#8217;s always a choice&#8221; &#8212; I feel like this is the true Team Free Will.</p>
<p>And Smokey&#8217;s set is more like Team Superstition and Mindfuckery.</p>
<p>Remember how we were always saying the characters had to make the final moves? And the end had to not be about Jacob and Smokes? And maybe new Locke and new Jack would be the most powerful characters in the end?</p>
<p>I feel like Widmore/Desmond/Daniel open us up to that actually happening.</p>
<p>I likes.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Right</p>
<p>The juxtaposition of all these faith-y episodes versus this heavily sci-fi one was cool.</p>
<p>You are right, it kind of breaks you out of the reverie a bit.</p>
<p>Two episodes ago, we were in 19th century Andalusia.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha word.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Now we are dealing with nukes and shit.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Know what&#8217;s most awesome though?</p>
<p>They fucking set up a scientific (or at least sci-fi-ific) explanation for LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT.</p>
<p>So romance.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: YES</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Like, how can I not gush all over this.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: At first I thought it was cheesy, but I love it.</p>
<p>Why are you more emo than I?</p>
<p>I am going to buy you a Danielle Steele boxset for Christmas.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahahah. I am Sawyer with Juliet, you are Sawyer with Kate.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Nicholas Sparks too.</p>
<p>I am not Sawyer, I am whoever Sawyer finally ends up with happily ever after.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha well to maintain my tenuous grip on manhood let me clarify, I&#8217;m not gushing over love at first sight, I&#8217;m tripping over the idea of this sci-fi reasoning for it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s awesome.</p>
<p>What got you open about this ep?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: The whole idea of Desmond being this enabler</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Enabler! Perfect word.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Who will bring everyone around to their lives as we know their lives.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t want to necessarily call it their true lives.</p>
<p>I am very curious to see how this continues to play out once he gets a hold of the manifest.</p>
<p>I am also curious if this means that near-death experiences are what help you see the truth.</p>
<p>This some Matrix shit.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Widmore totally had a Morpheus line in his office,</p>
<p>&#8220;Ah, to be free of attachments.&#8221;</p>
<p>The question is though, who&#8217;s actually going to want to go back to island-reality?</p>
<p>Who won&#8217;t be on Desmond&#8217;s side?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Locke?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah, that dying thing sucks.</p>
<p>Really though, most of them are happier here in paralleland.</p>
<p>And/or, breathing.</p>
<p>And/or not crazy.</p>
<p>Is the &#8220;what happened, happened&#8221; line actually a correct stance to take on things?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Who said that?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Eloise I think.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Right.</p>
<p>I mean, it could be.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: How will the Island factor into this anyway if it is buried underwater?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m guessing old white lady knows.</p>
<p>And she&#8217;s not telling.</p>
<p>Old white ladies and their secrets, man.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: ROLES REVERSED</p>
<p>In this reality, old white ladies hold the power.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> <strong>*raises fist*</strong></p>
<p><strong>*full of prunes*</strong></p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: and doilies</p>
<p>I am betting you like how Sayid just ninja&#8217;d into that last scene.</p>
<p>He so stealth!!!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha forreal he even looks action figure-ish lately.</p>
<p>Him and his plastic expressions.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yeah dude. He is just gonna become known as the ninja dude.</p>
<p>He is stealing work from Asian Actors!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Who will his final kung-fu battle be with?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Sun!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yes!</p>
<p>Azn prYdE</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Round one! Fight!</p>
<p>Why did Desmond go with Sayid?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> 1) You can&#8217;t fight Sayid.</p>
<p>2) You can&#8217;t fight Sayid?</p>
<p>Naw I dunno, I think he just wants to the talk to the rest of the crew? Shrugs.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: LOL, true.</p>
<p>If I was on TV, I would go with Sayid too.</p>
<p>I just wanted to add how beautiful this episode was in its mirroring of past episodes.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Ah yes</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Seeing old faces, old settings.</p>
<p>Loved the stadium scene.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> The stadium was dope.</p>
<p>I loved that shot against the seats where it looks like a grid and Dez is moving horizontally and Penny is coming down vertically and it looks like they&#8217;re going to meet and click like cosmic Tetris pieces.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: You are the cybercupid.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol</p>
<p>They fucking with us you, you know?</p>
<p>The get it in our heads that deja vu is love at first sight.</p>
<p>Then they go out of their way to give us deja vu with all the mirroring.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Bad shit can only come.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> A lot can happen in 20 minutes.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: It&#8217;s not real time!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol</p>
<p>Ok you have a final word?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: jes</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t do it cus my punctuation is fucked</p>
<p>&lt;3</p>
<p>nevermind, there it is!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hahaha</p>
<p>Appropriately enough, this feels like deja vu.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I am no longer impatient.</p>
<p>This episode was very satisfying.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Five episodes left right?</p>
<p>I hope this is the clear No Filler Zone.</p>
<p>Yeah, I give this episode whatever it wants.</p>
<p>It wuz gud.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: A+++++++++++++++++</p>
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		<title>The LOST Interrobang: DY-NO-MITE! (S6E7)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knowing that the ingredients for a good LOST episode is a healthy mix of “!!” and “??” Jef and Anupa will be interrobanging the show’s final season every week. As LOST winds down to its conclusion, can its creators dish out all the needed explanations without resorting to exposition? Can they keep up the mystery [...]]]></description>
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<div id="attachment_3201" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 610px"><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Lost-Week-7.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-3201" title="Lost - Week 7" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Lost-Week-7.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="333" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">&quot;When I go out, I&#39;m going out in style.&quot;</p></div>
<p><em>Knowing that the ingredients for a good </em><em>LOST episode is a healthy mix of “!!” and “??” Jef and Anupa will be interrobanging the show’s final season every week. As LOST winds down to its conclusion, can its creators dish out all the needed explanations without resorting to exposition? Can they keep up the mystery without succumbing to just more mindfuckery? </em></p>
<p><em>This week I noticed we were numbering our episodes incorrectly because we didn&#8217;t count the premiere as two episodes, which it technically was. Nothing that a lil&#8217; time travel through the archives didn&#8217;t fix! And so here we are magically at episode seven, &#8220;Dr. Linus&#8221;, where Richard tries to go out with a bang and Miles finds something to do and god we hope we&#8217;re just imagining this sexual tension between Ben and Alex! Sorry, I guess this SPOILER ALERT came too late? More after the jump:<br />
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<p><strong><span id="more-3185"></span>Jef:</strong> So yesterday you were all like &#8216;I need to let it marinate!&#8217;</p>
<p>Why so?</p>
<p>Besides the fatigue, of course.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Because, I felt like sooo much happened and it was such an intense episode. And that + running on not much sleep = difficult to verbalize.</p>
<p>The worst part is though, that I still don&#8217;t feel ready to talk about the episode LOL</p>
<p>I mean, I know what I loved: the terrific acting, the great story, the return of ALEX, the references to Nikki and Paulo who seem like some kind of LOST-related inside joke/meme more than real cast members&#8230;.</p>
<p>Sigh, so much to love.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I fucking adored the Nikki and Paulo reference, because that is one of my favourite episodes.</p>
<p>Back when LOST had time to slow down and have fun.</p>
<p>I feel like the show is always two steps ahead of us.</p>
<p>Last week we were talking about Ben and Miles having nothing to do</p>
<p>and this week? Ben and Miles.</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s more like one step ahead of us. But still. AHEAD.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yes, even when we don&#8217;t think it is (because we&#8217;re stupid), it totally is.</p>
<p>Where do we start?</p>
<p>I loved talking about redemption and stuff last week because this week it was so obviously imbued in Ben&#8217;s storyline.</p>
<p>I mean, the writers are now starting to beat you over the head with the themes, but they do it in a fantastic way. Well it&#8217;s either that, or the actors. That scene between Dr. Linus and his dad (so totally endearing) could have been the depths of ironic and bad: &#8220;IMAGINE, SON! WHAT IF WE STAYYYYED ON THE ISLAND!&#8221;</p>
<p>But it didn&#8217;t. I mean, it did in a didn&#8217;t way.</p>
<p>Ya smell me?</p>
<p>(not literally)</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> You&#8217;re definitely right about the actors, especially with Emerson. He sold the dad scene, but also the blackmail scene and the FORGIVENESS scene which were hard fucking scenes to sell.</p>
<p>(look at all those scene words!)</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Seen guy</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> On the topic of redemption &#8212; Ben got it in both realities, didn&#8217;t he? That&#8217;s something new, and not something I would have expected for him.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yes. I loved it. And he wore it so well.</p>
<p>Like, we&#8217;ve been trained to see Ben act a certain way—always one step ahead, always manipulative, always in control (even when he&#8217;s not)</p>
<p>But seeing him trailing behind the principal (&#8220;Walk with me&#8221;) or confessing to Ilana&#8230;</p>
<p>It was so unexpected, but still not out of character.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> &#8220;Because he&#8217;s the only one who&#8217;ll have me!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: AHHH!</p>
<p>I loved that line.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That&#8217;s right up there with John&#8217;s &#8220;But I don&#8217;t understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>MONEY LINES.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: For real.</p>
<p>Speaking of John, I loved that scene in the lunchroom with Arzt (!!!) when he encouraged Ben to take the principal&#8217;s job.</p>
<p>There was so much awesome between-the-lines-iness there</p>
<p>I mean, the fact that Ben usually comes up with the schemes, the way Ben usually influences people to do things, how Locke willingly said &#8220;I&#8217;ll follow you.&#8221; They mirrored the way we know them, but in a completely seemingly unrelated arc.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah and also different enough for us to chew on. Here we have Locke egging on Ben instead of the other way around.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: It was Locke influencing Ben to follow power, instead of vice versa.</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I also like that we see Artz in the same episode that we re-visit the pile of shit (pirate ship)</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yes!</p>
<p>I hated how blasé they were about handling the dynamite.</p>
<p>I mean I know they &#8220;can&#8217;t&#8221; die or whatever—and I know we got a great, memorable death scene outta Artz—but that was annoying.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> They&#8217;re both mad self-destructive though.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I don&#8217;t think Richard was self-destructive until then. And, I mean, it was kind of justified given what happened&#8230; he had nothing to go off of anymore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d wanna off myself too. In a fucking jungle with a smoke monster and my dude is dead.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Well yeah that&#8217;s what I mean though. In that moment, he wanted to die. And Jack&#8217;s always been reckless with his body body.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: His body body? As opposed to his body?</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah, I sing-songed it in my head.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Hurley was hilarious &#8220;I&#8217;ll be like, a mile away.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> LOL</p>
<p>I am really happy about how these teams are turning out</p>
<p>with Richard and Ben on Team Jacob.</p>
<p>Do you think Sun and Jin will ultimately be on opposing sides?</p>
<p> <img src='http://theashcan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yes. And I think it&#8217;s going to figure into exposing some kind of weakness in either side&#8230;</p>
<p>Like, they&#8217;re not going to turn on each other per se&#8230; but either they&#8217;re going to have to choose for &#8220;the greater good&#8221; or they&#8217;re going to break rank causing shit to hit the fan.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Honestly I&#8217;m thinking Jin fucks up. Last week we saw Sayid NOT get reality-2 redemption and we also saw Jin caught up in the same mess. I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s gonna get &#8220;saved&#8221;. I&#8217;m saying, Jin stays getting fucked around man.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Well, we didn&#8217;t actually see what happened with Jin.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> What are your feelings on Jack? He&#8217;s kind of shifted to Locke&#8217;s old role, which I find really interesting since they were always on opposite ends.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa: </strong>Well, I mean I understand the rationale behind him all of a sudden shifting to this &#8220;Man of Faith&#8221; but it still feels very out of character. That doesn&#8217;t feel like Jack, it doesn&#8217;t feel natural—maybe the progression wasn&#8217;t done well.</p>
<p>I mean, this very well may be his new purview but, I&#8217;m saying, I don&#8217;t fully believe it.</p>
<p>Not that that matters&#8230; LOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> No you&#8217;re right &#8212; Locke reached his believer role out of pure faith. Jack&#8217;s just tired and beaten and this is where he&#8217;s ended up. He doesn&#8217;t know what to think anymore and Jacob&#8217;s kinda had to push him around a bit, but here he is nonetheless.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I mean, they spent sooo much time making Jack a resister. Now he just buys it, you&#8217;re right, he&#8217;s just tired. This is easier?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I buy it. People find faith at the end of their rope, which Jack&#8217;s been at for a couple of episodes now. And now that the spyglass showed him that yeah, something special is up with him he&#8217;s willing to admit at least that there&#8217;s something going on.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: But that&#8217;s not genuine, you could see it in how he laughed post-almost-dying: he&#8217;s maniacal and frantic.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol he&#8217;s existential like that. Fate is a tragic comedy.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa: </strong>On a side note, I laughed real hard when Richard showed up and Jack was like &#8220;So tell us what&#8217;s going on?&#8221; and Richard was like &#8220;Not yet&#8221;—it felt like the writers were joshing us.</p>
<p>Richard: &#8220;Not yet!&#8221;</p>
<p>Jack: &#8220;Mmmkay!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Jef: </strong>Haha yeah that&#8217;s how I felt in the other ep where Smokey was like &#8220;Time to talk, Richard.&#8221; And then Richard pretty much runs away into the forest.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: He&#8217;s like a crazy, emotional woman.</p>
<p>I mean that in the least un-feminist way possible.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Richard? Haha yeah, with his impeccable mascara.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I am jealous of his well-defined eyes.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I like that he always kills it with the hairstyle.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: So this means that Richard has a purpose still.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I hope his purpose is EXPLAINING STUFF.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: LOL</p>
<p>Not yet.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol so back to reality 2 for a second</p>
<p>Were you scared that Ben was gonna hook up with Alex??</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: AHAHHAHAHA TOTALLY</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I was like WHY IS SHE THERE AT NIGHT</p>
<p>GROSSSSSS</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: TRUST ME!</p>
<p>The library scene: ARE THEY FLIRTING?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah dude she pulled up next to him and everything.</p>
<p>The writers are messed up. You KNOW they did that on purpose just for kicks.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Orrrrr our pedo-meter is always on high alert.</p>
<p>I was also really really hoping we&#8217;d get to see Rousseau again.</p>
<p>Like, a lot.</p>
<p>Mostly because I want to know what that actress looks like all clean and shit.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m thinking she looks like Richard.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Alex?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha no nvm</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: OH</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p><strong> </strong>So basically Ben&#8217;s storyline made us feel all warm and gushy and happy and shit.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha yeah. It drove home that he&#8217;s kind of a sweet guy.</p>
<p>Man this episode is hard to talk about, because there is all the serious PLOT stuff going on</p>
<p>But also so many nice small moments I want to touch on.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Like when we find out that Ben sacrifices the position for Alex?</p>
<p>Like when he&#8217;s heating up organic food for his once-an-asshole dad?</p>
<p>UGH! BEN &lt;3</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah and the scene with the dad with the veggies</p>
<p>Yeah!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: LOL</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Fuck let&#8217;s just list them all</p>
<p>GO!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: When he offered Artz his parking spot at the end.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Miles reading Jacob&#8217;s mind and sarcastically being like &#8220;Uh-oh!&#8221; to Ben.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Digging his own grave.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hurley waking up with &#8220;CHEESE CURDS!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: LOL!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Dude Ben&#8217;s grave was perfectly rectangle! That guy has skills.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: AHAHAH I noticed that too.</p>
<p>If I had to dig my own grave, I&#8217;d make it into a heart shape.</p>
<p>Or a dollar sign.</p>
<p>They&#8217;d have to lay me in it all squiggly.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Yeah we&#8217;ll snake you into it.</p>
<p>(I like how I picture myself there at the funeral.)</p>
<p>My favourite moment of course was the slow-motion beach reunion.</p>
<p>Which gets me EVERYTIME.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: YES! LOST has the slow mo, sappy music, everyone hugging, with one bad seed lurking in the background-scene down pat.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I want that scene in my life.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Next time I see you, let&#8217;s run to each other slow mo.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> It HAS to be the beach. With the music.</p>
<p>And Walt&#8217;s dog.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I was trying to make this do-able but now you&#8217;re just being extra.</p>
<p>I liked Jack&#8217;s line about going back to the beach to start the beginning. It sets up the search for answers really nicely.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> You&#8217;re right, being back at the beach sets everything up.</p>
<p>We have them back home, and Smokey over on the other island just like the Others.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s war time</p>
<p>or Widmore time, at least.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: What the hell was up with that?!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember anything about Widmore, so I forgot what role he plays in all of this.</p>
<p>Except for the fact that he&#8217;s Penny and Farraday&#8217;s dad.</p>
<p>And that he used to be on the Island but got kicked off.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> He&#8217;s Ben&#8217;s nemesis, they were always fighting for control of the island.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Right. Also, I hate submarines.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re mad sinister.</p>
<p>If I saw a periscope on the beach I&#8217;d lose my shit.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Periscopes are scary!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a submarine can beat Smokey though</p>
<p>We should do rock paper scissors with submarine, smoke monster, and Kate&#8217;s guns.</p>
<p>And yes, I mean her biceps.</p>
<p>?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Kate&#8217;s guns would lose every time.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> That&#8217;s why the game is fun!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Submarine, smoke monster and that fucking weirdo fence.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Ooooh</p>
<p>Submarine, smoke monster, hydrogen bomb?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yes!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Lol. Anything else you&#8217;d like to touch on?</p>
<p>Besides Richard being &#8220;touched&#8221; by Jacob</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yes! This might be obvious, but did Ilana bring Jacob&#8217;s ash because she knew Miles would be able to tell her what happened?</p>
<p>Or was that all purely fluke.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> I&#8217;m thinking she knew.</p>
<p>She knew that Miles had nothing do to.</p>
<p>Ilana was good in the forgiveness scene too. I wasn&#8217;t expecting to ever like anything she did.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Me neither. I&#8217;ve been holding a grudge against her because I have no idea who she is or where she came from.</p>
<p>f</p>
<p>oops that was an unintentional f</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Haha I was like damn, Anupa is frustrated about Ilana.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: It was subliminal.</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> She deserves it.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Alright, verdict? Since I gotta get the hell out of here?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Very much an Interrobang.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Mine is more of an !</p>
<p>Excitement! Happiness! Not ending on a fucking irritating note!</p>
<p>Ben!</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Awesome.</p>
<p>Should we be like this episode and end with a surprise guest appearance?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Whatchu mean?</p>
<p><em>Simon has joined</em></p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> Hey Simon.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Sup?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> L O S T</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: What?</p>
<p><strong>Jef:</strong> (I know I&#8217;m the only one laughing, but I&#8217;m laughing hard)</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Jef, you&#8217;re relying on gags now to sell our Interrobang.</p>
<p>STOP CHEAPENING IT.</p>
<p><strong>Simon</strong>: Just post it!</p>
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		<title>The LOST Interrobang: WTF? (S6E1&amp;2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>theashcan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knowing that the ingredients for a good LOST episode is a healthy mix of &#8220;!!&#8221; and &#8220;??&#8221; Jef and Anupa will be interrobanging the show&#8217;s final season every week. As LOST winds down to its conclusion, can its creators dish out all the needed explanations without resorting to exposition? Can they keep up the mystery [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_2693" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 610px"><a href="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Lost-Week-1.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2693" title="Lost - Week 1" src="http://theashcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Lost-Week-1.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="338" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">We are everybody! But who the hell is this guy?</p></div>
<p><em>Knowing that the ingredients for a good </em><em>LOST episode is a healthy mix of &#8220;!!&#8221; and &#8220;??&#8221; Jef and Anupa will be interrobanging the show&#8217;s final season every week. As LOST winds down to its conclusion, can its creators dish out all the needed explanations without resorting to exposition? Can they keep up the mystery without succumbing to just more mindfuckery? </em>SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER<em>. Shit gets geeky after the jump:</em></p>
<p><strong><span id="more-2692"></span>Jef</strong>: Ok</p>
<p>let&#8217;s Interrobang this shit</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Word</p>
<p>you start</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: The OPENING</p>
<p>When Blondie hits the bomb with the rock and it goes white and then we start AGAIN with Jack opening his eyes</p>
<p>How&#8217;d you feeeeel?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Dude, i watched the &#8220;leaked&#8221; four minutes. and my immediate reaction was &#8220;here we go again, ugh!&#8221; but then&#8230;.Jack looked disoriented, and then CINDY handed him one bokkle of vodka instead of two!</p>
<p>so i figured, okay they&#8217;re on to something</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Bokkle! I avoided the leak, because that&#8217;s how I roll. When the camera dives into the ocean and we see the whole shit underwater though, that was cheesy, right? Just me?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: It was mad cheesy</p>
<p>and mad frustrating</p>
<p>the graphics were so bad too, and i was watching it on HD!</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: HD ruins everything!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Did your heart not melt when Rose and Bernard were eskimo kissing and shit?</p>
<p>i love them, and i hope they tie into the ultimate ending somehow.</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Omg NO. I hate Bernard and Rose! This recap is over.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: &#8220;Heartless&#8221;-kanye west</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: How do you feel about Desmond being on the plane??</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Um</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: In terms of the interrobang, that gets a big ?? from me</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: First of all, Desmond is probably one of my favourite characters so I was initially excited to see him. But really, it&#8217;s just a big WTF because it raises a million other questions</p>
<p>one of which is, so where&#8217;s Penny?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Yes and YES, brother</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: LOL</p>
<p>and i was kind of confused that Jack didn&#8217;t recognize him from LA</p>
<p>i mean, how long did it take them to figure that out on the island?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: You&#8217;re exactly right. If everything up to the plane ride is essentially the same, then he SHOULD recognize him from jump</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s the other ?? part &#8212; shit is NOT the same up to the plane ride</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: YEAH</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Hence why Hurley is now &#8220;the luckiest guy in the world&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: YEAH</p>
<p>when he said that I yelled at the TV &#8220;no you&#8217;re not!&#8221;</p>
<p>also, Sawyer still seemed smarmy, but not surly</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Moreso though: parallel universe!! are you okay with this?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: No.</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Haha</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Honestly, i refuse to believe they&#8217;d make it this complicated</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Didn&#8217;t you watch Star Trek?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yeah, TNG</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: No no, the JJ Abrams reboot. With Neytiri and the sexy guys.</p>
<p>I feel you on the complication factor, but multiverses get me kind of hard, even though they rarely pull through and be the awesome they can be</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I&#8217;m still stuck on them (Cuse and Lindeloff) saying back around s.3 that there would be a logical explanation for everything.</p>
<p>but okay&#8230; so we&#8217;ve basically got to accept the fact that instead of the past couple of seasons moving back and forth through time, we&#8217;ve got two separate (maybe) realities happening, correct?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Exactly. We&#8217;ve gone from flashbacks, to flash-forwards, to time travel, to diff. realities</p>
<p>i&#8217;m cool with all that, but what gets me is how they&#8217;re going to reconcile this</p>
<p>do we end up with 2 Jacks and 2 Sawyers etc meeting face to face or sending messages through the ether?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: That would be really cool. jumping ahead, that would be really cool in the context of that awesome Jack/Locke scene in the airport</p>
<p>what did you make of Charlie stuffing the drugs down his throat then being all &#8220;thanks but no thanks&#8221; to Jack?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: It hit a good note, because it drives home that a lot of went down on the island was about redemption and second chances</p>
<p>Jack gets to erase some deaths and more importantly his broken boo-hoo heart, but he screws over mad people in the process</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Hey, didn&#8217;t Locke totally fool you into thinking &#8220;well, since everything else is different, maybe he&#8217;s not in the wheelchair?&#8221; after that convo with Boone? Turns out that he was lying.</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: BOOOOONE</p>
<p>yo did Maggie Grace flop on them or something? Boone without the creepy sister love is just a dude with Gossip Girl hair</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I think that was one of the saddest things of the whole two hours for me. Seeing Locke, who became such a Robinson Crusoe through his adventures, back to not having experienced any of that</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Oh god, so much of Locke makes me sad! We&#8217;ll get to that later.</p>
<p>Are you sad about Juliet?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I am sad about Juliet, mostly in the context of Sawyer/Juliet</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Yes, Juliet made Sawyer awesome</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: But also because she was a great character</p>
<p>i wish they explored what she would have been privy to knowing</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: You&#8217;re right though, we got no knowledge from Juliet. And we spent a YEAR with the Dharma initiative and didn&#8217;t learn anything except that they were a bunch of drunken hippies</p>
<p>But the Bigger Mystery has been revealed for us!</p>
<p>How do you feel about Jacob?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I&#8217;m not convinced that he&#8217;s good. Just because he seems like he&#8217;s &#8220;helping&#8221; the characters we know</p>
<p>and is the adversary of the Man in Black/Fake Locke/Smokey</p>
<p>I think the writers have led us to make assumptions, but haven&#8217;t really given us anything concrete</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>:  Two things about Jacob:</p>
<p><strong>Anupa: </strong>Shoot.</p>
<p><strong>Jef: </strong>I&#8217;m not feeling how he&#8217;s appeared in all of their lives previously. This does NATHAN for me &#8212; I already knew everyone was connected. This just made the connection stupid for me.</p>
<p>and 2) he just looks like some scruffy T-dot hipster dude in a bar!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Hahaha, he totally does. We should call him @jacob</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Done! @jacob</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Well he didn&#8217;t appear in EVERYONE&#8217;S life did he?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: RT @jacob (korean korean)</p>
<p>no, you&#8217;re right. at least not &#8220;yet&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: So moving off of Jacob, what about the big reveal re: MIB/Smokey</p>
<p>That was cool</p>
<p>Any ideas as to what Smokey actually is?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: I&#8217;m just glad smokey is an actual character</p>
<p>i thought they were gonna rest on the whole &#8220;it&#8217;s a guard dog&#8221; thing</p>
<p>But as they reduced some of the mystical shit down to digestible terms, they also introduced some other mumbo jumbo</p>
<p>i.e. Asian Fu-Manchu man and the Lazarus pit</p>
<p>I&#8217;M NOT FEELING ASIAN FU-MANCHU MAN</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: He&#8217;s such a snob. &#8220;I don&#8217;t like the way English tastes on my tongue&#8221;</p>
<p>And trimming his little plants</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Oh god i know</p>
<p>WHYYY</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: It&#8217;s okay</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: I understand the need for the writers to throw in every genre trope from the treasure chest, but that shit wasn’t so much offensive as it was unnecessary. I get nothing from that. I felt like I was watching Xena.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I watched Xena for a bit. Then it got insane and extra for a show about a hot fighting chick</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: I totally went through a Xena phase! (that sounds wrong?)</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: And honestly, they&#8217;re just fucking with obsessives, because now I&#8217;m going to be fixated on why he doesn&#8217;t speak Engrish.</p>
<p> <img src='http://theashcan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Grrrr.</p>
<p>So the internet is saying that Jacob is now in the body of Sayid.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I totally think that.</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Poor Sayid.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Here&#8217;s the thing about the temple water though</p>
<p>IF Fumanchu&#8217;s hand didn&#8217;t heal</p>
<p>why did he decide to dunk Sayid?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Oh yes, lots of not-sense going on in that temple!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: AND, when Sayid didn&#8217;t wake up, how come they didn&#8217;t freak the fuck out? After breaking open the ankh and reading the paper (list?) he said if Sayid died they&#8217;d be in a lot of trubz.</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: YES</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Instead, he went back to pruning</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Temple: Hated It.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Sun/Jin: Do you think maybe the &#8220;reset&#8221; altered Sun and Jin&#8217;s course&#8230; and maybe Sun actually can&#8217;t speak English?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Oh wow. That makes as much sense as the Hurley thing, so yes, maybe</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sad that Jin is still an asshole</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Some people think Claire might not be pregnant, but then she&#8217;d have a completely different reason for going to LA. Thoughts?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: We didn&#8217;t see the belly, huh?</p>
<p>I dunno, I&#8217;m just glad to have Claire back. She&#8217;s pretty!</p>
<p>I think the biggest new-universe development is Jack&#8217;s missing father-body.</p>
<p>Foreboding!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Forebody-ing</p>
<p> <img src='http://theashcan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: *applause*</p>
<p>Is Christian not able to travel across realities?</p>
<p>Did it wake him up?</p>
<p>I hate you, Christian.</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: I think the Christian thing might be the most confusing element yet</p>
<p>I have absolutely no theories on it</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: On some fun shit though: who are you looking forward to returning?</p>
<p>aside from Claire, of course, because she is pretty</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Walt and Libby</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: LIBBY</p>
<p>haha Walt</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: WAAAALT</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: They NEED to resolve Walt, but I also HATE Walt</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Those are probably two fascinating stories that won&#8217;t get told</p>
<p>Spin-off!</p>
<p>Locke:</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: OH YES.</p>
<p>When Smokey-Locke is like, &#8216;Locke&#8217;s dying thoughts were &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand&#8221;&#8216;</p>
<p>that shit just broke my heart</p>
<p>The show had these two typical themes that 1) we can start over again and 2) we had a destiny. Locke embodied these things and wiping him out in THAT way puts the show in this sad place where ok yeah, we get free will, but we already HAD that.</p>
<p>The fantasy was that all our fucked up choices either could be erased or we could find redemption or that they were all a part of a Bigger Plan. Locke dying is depressing. Extra for the way he went out. But holy crap GOOD TELEVISION!</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yeah, they completely built up this whole validating arc and then dashed it.</p>
<p>How wonderful would it be if Jack/Locke in LA worked as a team to interact with/affect what happens on the island?</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: And in the end, it&#8217;s WHEELCHAIR Locke that proves to be the most powerful character?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Hey wow. I believe you.</p>
<p>So was the premier a ! or a ? for you?</p>
<p>or an INTERROBANG?</p>
<p><strong>Anupa</strong>: Definitely an interrobang</p>
<p>i&#8217;m thoroughly confused</p>
<p><strong>Jef</strong>: Yes. But satisfied.</p>
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